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View Poll Results: Should we change voting rights to no Representation without Taxation for citizens?
Hell yea, sign me up. No Representation without Taxation 8 57.14%
No, that's just not fair 6 42.86%
I think everyone should be allowed to vote including non-citizens because it promotes the progressive globalist agenda. 0 0%
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:14 PM  
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No representation without taxation

Using the old no taxation without representation I thought I would post a poll in reverse considering half the population pays no Federal Income tax at all. Should they have representation? It could solve the vast majority of our voter fraud as well. If you are a citizen who pays Federal Income tax you get a ballot.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:19 PM   #2
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Can we stop with this bullshit already? In today's integrated economy, neither money paid out nor money taken in is a sensible determinant for who should vote.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:21 PM   #3
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The Dems just blew out the Repukes by +7 points. This really isn't the best time to be discussing libertarian tax policy.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:37 PM   #4
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Using the old no taxation without representation I thought I would post a poll in reverse considering half the population pays no Federal Income tax at all. Should they have representation? It could solve the vast majority of our voter fraud as well. If you are a citizen who pays Federal Income tax you get a ballot.
The representation to which you are referring in the context of the American Revolution was representation in Parliament. The colonies had none. It wasn't about who could vote and who could not vote.

In the days before women could vote, they nevertheless had representation in Congress. I.e., they lived in a state, and the state had members of Congress.

In the here and now, if an individual choses not to vote, he is nevertheless still represented in Congress.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:40 PM   #5
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You don't have to go that far back Giner. Everybody pays federal taxes, via excise taxes like gasoline or cigs or liquor. Everyone pays sales tax. Nearly everyone pays property taxes on their car etc.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:41 PM   #6
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Everybody pays taxes in one form or another.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:51 PM   #7
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You don't have to go that far back Giner. Everybody pays federal taxes, via excise taxes like gasoline or cigs or liquor. Everyone pays sales tax. Nearly everyone pays property taxes on their car etc.
I wasn't addressing the substance of his question, but rather his historical reference to the American Revolution which has no application to his question.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:55 PM   #8
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Everybody pays taxes in one form or another.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:56 PM   #9
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If you're not willing to take the vote back from women, and you still want smaller, saner, more responsible government, there's a solution that's almost guaranteed to work, but it would cause some major upheaval and is also almost guaranteed not to be passed. You need a Constitutional Amendment that repealed the 16th, and then provided for:
  1. Flat tax that nobody is exempt from, and which can only be adjusted by a small maximum percentage over a fixed number of years
  2. No deductions, especially no state tax offsets
  3. Severe limits on what can be done as far as targeted fees that attempt to get around the tax restrictions
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:49 PM   #10
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I voted yes and I considered in relation to who pays taxes on their income/labor.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:56 PM   #11
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Everybody pays taxes in one form or another.
Yep.

Might be some that don't pay any income tax though. Not sure, but I've heard rumors to that effect.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:57 PM   #12
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I'd be open to looking at some sort of Three Fifths compromise here.
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Old 11-08-2018, 03:59 PM   #13
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If only poll taxes weren't blatantly racist in history.

You should have some skin in the game in order to decide the country's future. If you receive any tax deduction, tax credit or welfare payment from the government you should be ineligible to vote since you have the perverse incentive to vote in people who will continue these policies at the expense of the rest of the country.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:13 PM   #14
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You should have some skin in the game in order to decide the country's future.
Agreed. This is what our Framers expected and was a reason why property owners were the ones allowed to vote at first. Today, so many more people own property. I am not saying, that it should go back to that, but people with no real economic skin in the game just puts those property rights at risk—an actual right that is in the Constitution but largely ignored under the demand for a perfect equality in outcome.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:22 PM   #15
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Yep.

Might be some that don't pay any income tax though. Not sure, but I've heard rumors to that effect.
There's a lot of folks who don't pay federal income tax in any given year. For this year, it's expected to be about 76 million of the 172 million tax units, or 44%. Tax units are folks not eligible to be claimed as dependents on another tax form. About 60% of these 76 million do work and pay payroll taxes (like Social Security and Medicare), while about 40% are retired.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/81...why-2018-04-16

Also, any given individual who hasn't retired may have years when they pay income taxes and years when they do not, given that folks can become unemployed and/or cut back on work to go to school or to deal with family caregiving or other issues.
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