Charlie Joiner

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-17-2007, 05:06 PM

Unquestionably a HOF wideout, but is he a good WR coach?

FringeNC · 01-17-2007, 05:11 PM

Who knows if he is good, but I trust Vermeil/Saunders judgement of offensive coaching ability way more than I do Herm "simplify that for me" Edwards'. I shudder to think who Herm would chose himself.

siberian khatru · 01-17-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Who knows if he is good, but I trust Vermeil/Saunders judgement of offensive coaching ability way more than I do Herm "simplify that for me" Edwards'. I shudder to think who Herm would chose himself.

Anthony Hancock.

FringeNC · 01-17-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Anthony Hancock.

Was he a a Carl-bust, or pre-Carl? There have been so many over the years, it's hard to keep them straight.

siberian khatru · 01-17-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

Was he a a Carl-bust, or pre-Carl? There have been so many over the years, it's hard to keep them straight.

Pre-Carl.

On reflection, I probably should've named Snoop Minnis instead. For some reason, Hancock popped in my head first.

FringeNC · 01-17-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

Pre-Carl.

On reflection, I probably should've named Snoop Minnis instead. For some reason, Hancock popped in my head first.

I could see Herm hiring Art Shell as WR coach.

el borracho · 01-17-2007, 05:41 PM

Who knows?

We should get some NFL WRs and see what he does with them.

Coach · 01-17-2007, 07:15 PM

I don't think I consider Charlie a excellent WR coach. While he does have Kennison playing well, I haven't seen any young players actually improve, or at least play at a consistent level.

I think, in my view, that a change in that area could be needed.

pikesome · 01-17-2007, 07:16 PM

We haven't exactly been blessed with talent at WR the last few years. I'd say that the corps we have, especially Kennison, have done well enough.

Coach · 01-17-2007, 07:19 PM

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We haven't exactly been blessed with talent at WR the last few years. I'd say that the corps we have, especially Kennison, have done well enough.

That's true, but at some point, some WR's need to produce. I haven't seen Parker produce, at least up to my standards, as well with Crap Thorpe, and I'm probably forgetting some other WR's that was selected/signed as a Rookie Undrafted FA's.

unothadeal · 01-17-2007, 07:24 PM

Isn't Charlie Joiner the black guy on ABC at 1 oclock in the morning

milkman · 01-17-2007, 07:39 PM

The Chiefs have done a shitty job of acquiring WR talent in Carl's 18 years here.

The last decent WR to run through KC before Kennison is who?
Carlos Carson?

The one time Carl did find an actual receiver with talent, Marty didn't use him, and he went on to New Orleans.

I'm willing to wait until Joiner has some actual talent to work with before I proclaim him a shitty coach.

Chiefnj · 01-17-2007, 07:50 PM

I will proclaim him a crappy coach. Green developed into a Pro Bowl QB and Huard was able to come off the bench and play at a high level, yet Shea gets fired.

The Chiefs haven't developed a WR in years, couldn't get young WR's on the field this year, couldn't get Gardner on the field this year, the receivers rarely get good separation and are always dropping balls, yet Joyner still has a job? He should have been the sacrificial lamb this offseason.

pikesome · 01-17-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The Chiefs have done a shitty job of acquiring WR talent in Carl's 18 years here.

The last decent WR to run through KC before Kennison is who?
Carlos Carson?

The one time Carl did find an actual receiver with talent, Marty didn't use him, and he went on to New Orleans.

I'm willing to wait until Joiner has some actual talent to work with before I proclaim him a shitty coach.

I'm reminded of the old chestnut, "you can't polish a turd". I don't know that Parker doesn't have the talent but so far he hasn't given us any other reason for his lack of real production.

milkman · 01-17-2007, 08:10 PM

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I will proclaim him a crappy coach. Green developed into a Pro Bowl QB and Huard was able to come off the bench and play at a high level, yet Shea gets fired.

The Chiefs haven't developed a WR in years, couldn't get young WR's on the field this year, couldn't get Gardner on the field this year, the receivers rarely get good separation and are always dropping balls, yet Joyner still has a job? He should have been the sacrificial lamb this offseason.

Al Saunders never developed a WR in KC either.

But he had a hell of a group in StL.

Sometimes it is simply about talent.

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