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Old 09-29-2018, 01:06 PM  
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Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel

Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

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REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.

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Old 12-10-2018, 02:57 PM   #2641
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It's pretty simple, Eric Berry got paid and lost the same motivation/drive that he had previously.

It happens all of the time.

I get that some people can't come to terms with that reality, bringing up the fact he returned from a major knee injury and cancer, but that was all before he got paid.
It’s probably more possible that his body is just done. Torn ACL, cancer, Achilles and now a bone spur problem possibly affecting his other Achilles.

He’s not young anymore and his cancer treatment probably aged his body even more.
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Is that why Tyreek went out of his way to mention that his mother taught him to be tough when he was asked about his heel injury?
Why do you think those two are related? And why do you think their injuries are even comparable?
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Old 12-10-2018, 03:00 PM   #2643
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And this is why you structure contracts a lot smarter than what they did with Berry.

The Hunts should have learned a very hard, very costly, lesson here, but sadly I doubt that too.
You do realize its not as easy as just structuring a contract how YOU want it right? There was quiet the long negotiation over Berry's contract.

All of your comments and reaction are 100% emotionally based with not a hint of actual logic.

Its OK to say the Berry contract ended up being a mistake. I don't think anyone would argue that in hind sight. But you act like you they went into this with no thought or clue about what they are doing which is asinine.

The "type" of contract that you think exists in your head, does not actually exist. Berry's and Houston's deals were in line with what other players of their caliber were getting and are still getting. Do you think Khalil Mack's contract is some crazy deal they can dump him a few years into it with little impact? It will be 4 full seasons before they can get any relief on his deal. Just like Berry's and Houston's.

You talk like you actually have some kind of insight as to how all of this works when you obviously have zero concept.
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And I don't have to speak nicely about the ****ing bum either. I don't owe him shit.

And let's not forget how many of those same players came to Smith's defense last year about him being awesome, ya think they aren't glad they now have PM instead of the man they lobbied for "visually" last year? So don't be so sure that the team member's words are what they're really feeling, they might just be being nice.

Either way, Haglund needs to get out there and play or the negative comments that "he appears to care less about than playing football" will just get louder. Look at this thread pal!
You can like Alex Smith and still be happy we upgraded to Mahomes. Don't know why you and others act like players have to pick sides.
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His body has been through more shit than any other player I know. I’m okay with him worrying about his health, you get one life and that’s it. It’s just football fam.
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Because he along with many other posters have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old girl and show regularly.

Zero logic, all emotion.
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You do realize its not as easy as just structuring a contract how YOU want it right? There was quiet the long negotiation over Berry's contract.

All of your comments and reaction are 100% emotionally based with not a hint of actual logic.

Its OK to say the Berry contract ended up being a mistake. I don't think anyone would argue that in hind sight. But you act like you they went into this with no thought or clue about what they are doing which is asinine.

The "type" of contract that you think exists in your head, does not actually exist. Berry's and Houston's deals were in line with what other players of their caliber were getting and are still getting. Do you think Khalil Mack's contract is some crazy deal they can dump him a few years into it with little impact? It will be 4 full seasons before they can get any relief on his deal. Just like Berry's and Houston's.

You talk like you actually have some kind of insight as to how all of this works when you obviously have zero concept.
I have the same specific insight as anybody else, I just don't pretend to have more by cutting the ****er more slack than he's earned.

As for emotional, nope, just not too emotionally tied to his past issues where we poured-out our love and support to think I need to be nice now that he appears to have turned on us.

And is you has picked up on one thing, I hope it's that I'm mostly vocal because he's been nearly silent. I don't think that's a team order, I think he's doing it on his own, for his own reasons. And those reasons aren't about the team, the fans, nor getting a SB win.

But hey, we're all entitled to our outsider opinions.
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His body has been through more shit than any other player I know. I’m okay with him worrying about his health, you get one life and that’s it. It’s just football fam.
Sure. But if you decide you don't want to put your body through it, you should retire and free up a roster spot (and cap space). Sitting around collecting a check when your heart's not in it anymore is not the way to handle it.

Maybe it's all moot. Maybe he comes back and plays lights out. Who knows. But if he really doesn't have the heart to do it anymore, he should do the right thing and retire.
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His body has been through more shit than any other player I know. I’m okay with him worrying about his health, you get one life and that’s it. It’s just football fam.
It's not the worrying about his health that we're being critical about.
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Sure. But if you decide you don't want to put your body through it, you should retire and free up a roster spot (and cap space). Sitting around collecting a check when your heart's not in it anymore is not the way to handle it.

Maybe it's all moot. Maybe he comes back and plays lights out. Who knows. But if he really doesn't have the heart to do it anymore, he should do the right thing and retire.
Retiring doesn't do that, this has been explained numerous times. It accelerates the dead money and cap hit from the signing bonus.
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Because he along with many other posters have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old girl and show regularly.

Zero logic, all emotion.
Week 14 finished and he has worn Zero pads. Zero....

Lighten up Franchesca, we're only going to dog him until he quits being a pussy and tries to act like a gladiator.. You know, like Hill.
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Agree, you can want him to quit/retire/be cut, but still speak nicely about him. I think that's some of what we're seeing. Let's not forget, this is a union shop, they tend to stick together.
They're also working out with him and letting him break the defense down before games. They certainly wouldn't be doing that if they secretly hated him or thought he quit on them.
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Week 14 finished and he has worn Zero pads. Zero....

Lighten up Franchesca, we're only going to dog him until he quits being a pussy and tries to act like a gladiator.. You know, like Hill.
You seriously think Berry and hill are hurt to the same extent?
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Sure. But if you decide you don't want to put your body through it, you should retire and free up a roster spot (and cap space). Sitting around collecting a check when your heart's not in it anymore is not the way to handle it.

Maybe it's all moot. Maybe he comes back and plays lights out. Who knows. But if he really doesn't have the heart to do it anymore, he should do the right thing and retire.
Haven't you read, this is crushing to him... Look:

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