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**BossChief** · 10-16-2019, 09:46 PM

A couple of these moves get made, it helps our chances.

1) Muhamed Wilkerson might be worth a workout. He’s a couple seasons removed from being an elite, dominant player against the run and is a free agent. Last year he got an ankle injury early in the year and should be completely healthy and turns 30 on Tuesday. I know he’s played mostly in a 2 gap 3-4 so his responsibilities would be similar here as a rotational under tackle.

2) Trade for Josh Jackson from GB. He’s a ball hawk zone corner that is buried on the depth chart. I’m sure he could be had for a late rounder. Very talented and has elite ball skills.

3) Call Elway and inquire about Von and CHJ after we beat them Thursday. Von has been a very productive OLB in a 4-3 in his early years and could help us a lot in that capacity now. Chris Harris would be a huge get in this secondary. I know he’s old, but he is a solid vet that still plays well and is great in the locker room. These options are obviously a long shot, but would be amazing. I’d gladly give up a 3 in this draft and a 2 in the next draft for the pair...maybe even a little more.

4) Sign Mason Foster, Zach Brown or Malcom Smith to help our LB corps. This is the worst position group on the team and some of the guys need to be shown the door.

5) Trade for Patrick Peterson, Byron Jones or Xavien Howard to take over CB1 duties.

6) Bring EJ Gaines, Kayvon Webster and Briean Boddy-Calhoun in for workouts to see if one of them can help our secondary.

7) Sign Willie Henry, Mike Pennel, Demario Peko or Justin Ellis to help out the front line run defense.

8) Sign ASJ or Ben Watson to help out at TE2.

9) Move a late rounder to TB for OJ Howard. We need TE2 upgraded and OJ paired with Kelce would be a nice combo.

10) You tell us one I haven’t listed.

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-16-2019, 09:49 PM

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FAX · 10-16-2019, 09:52 PM

Teach the linebackers which gap to fill and how to play the intermediate zone and force short/intermediate throws to the boundary only.

Require that all players double up on their film study. Check that ... triple up.

Kick Sammy in the balls and tell him to man up.

FAX

**cabletech94** · 10-16-2019, 09:54 PM

did i read somewhere that Ben Watson resigned with the Pats like yesterday?

el borracho · 10-16-2019, 09:56 PM

I don't know of any great fix for this year, but finding inexpensive talent in the draft is the only long-term solution. Trading away future picks for vets (Miller, Harris, Petersen, Howard, etc.) is expensive and rarely works the way you imagine.

Veach has to get more from the draft. If he can't do that, then we need to fire him or get used to being the Packers of the AFC (all-world QB and little else).

**BossChief** · 10-16-2019, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cabletech94

did i read somewhere that Ben Watson resigned with the Pats like yesterday?

Oops I missed that he signed with them after they cut him a week ago.

T-post Tom · 10-16-2019, 09:58 PM

More FA / trade deadline fapping:

The Kansas City Chiefs have holes to address before they can call themselves Super Bowl Contenders. Here’s some trade deadline ideas.

Target: Geno Atkins DT

Specs: 31 years old, 10 year NFL vet, 6’1, 300 lb., 7-time Pro Bowler, one-time 1st Team All Pro

The Why: Atkins is not the 2015 First Team All-Pro player that he once was, but he is significantly more capable of holding down the middle of the defensive line than any of the current active bodies along the Chiefs’ front. In addition, a eventual combination of Jones/Atkins would be a monster duo for Kansas City to deploy in January.

The How: This would represent a significant financial investment for the team and that would need to be balanced in any trade offer. Kansas City likely cuts bait after this season, but would take on $15m in dead cap over the next three years to do so. Maybe they could turn around and re-trade him after the season to avoid some of that hit. At any rate, it seems like the Bengals would be wise to be sellers. They would probably want a 2nd round pick for Atkins, but at his age and with his cap hit over the next several seasons, Veach should push to make the move for a 3rd round selection instead.

Target: Preston Brown MLB

Specs: 26 years old, 5 year NFL vet, 6’1, 250 lb, nearly 600 career tackles in 5+ seasons, injuries limited 2018 but has started all six games for Cincinnati this year.

The Why: Brown is a run stuffing inside linebacker who is fair in pass coverage but excels playing at the line of scrimmage. He’s averaging nearly 7 tackles per game over the course of this season and his career. He hasn’t been asked to do much pass coverage this year, but also would not be asked to do much of that in K.C. He would instantly upgrade the run defense for Steve Spagnuolo’s defense and even if he gave only average play, would have an impact.

The How: Brown has a modest cap hit each season topping out around $5.8m in the 2021 season, which makes him an attractive option for a Chiefs team who will soon be up against the cap. And, if it doesn’t work the team can get out of the duration of the contract (2 years) for only $2.5m in dead cap space. The Bengals may be hesitant to let go of Brown, but the team should take any and all offers for any players who are unlikely to be a part of any significant turnaround, and with his ability to hit free agency after the 2021 season, Brown will likely want to move on before he hits 30.

Target: Kenyon Drake RB

Specs: 25 years old, 3 year NFL vet, 6’1, 211 lb, who has averaged 4.6 yards/carry for his career (including a dismal 3.7 to start 2019)

The Why: Give me a downhill, power running back with a history of a 5.0 ypc average (prior to this season) on an expiring contract who is owed less than $1.5m the rest of this season. Drake has never been given an opportunity to be a feature back in Miami. In addition, obviously, Miami has already started to cash in on all trade-able assets this season, and Drake should be no different. Its clear at this point the team does not see him as a feature back and it seems highly unlikely that he’ll be resigning with the Dolphins.

The How: An expiring contract for a running back averaging only 3.7 ypc this season on a team who is in the midsts of a fire sale? Drake can be had for a 5th round pick and Kansas City has made it clear that they do not believe any of their current RBs can be a feature, ground-and-pound kind of back. This move is difficult for the Chiefs from a roster construction standpoint, but cutting bait with a superfluous player like DAT for a downhill power running like Drake should be a no-brainer.

Target: Charles Clay TE

Specs: 30 years old, 8 year NFL veteran, 6’3″, 246 lb, with a 10+ yards/catch average for his career

The Why: Kansas City has a depth issue both in terms of blocking and pass catching at the tight end level. If we have learned anything from the first third of the Chiefs’ season, depth can make or break a team with Super Bowl aspirations. Kansas City has essentially no tight end depth behind All Pro Travis Kelce; and even with him playing, they could stand to have a veteran blocker with, reliable hands as a second option. This would not only help to keep Patrick Mahomes upright, but could also help to further exploit how defenses are trying to play them (man coverage). Additionally, Arizona has essentially decided not to use Clay in any meaningful way in their new offense.

The How: Given the state of their roster and position in their division (miles behind the Seahawks and the 49ers), Arizona should be looking to move on from older players who are not part of the game plan. Clay certainly fits that bill. Compounding that is the fact that he’s on an expiring contract and we don’t see the Cardinals bringing him back with the younger, stronger Ricky Seals-Jones on the roster. Arizona will take the first 6th round pick that walks through the door and the Chiefs should be happy to give it.

Target: Patrick Peterson CB

Specs: 29 years old, 8 year NFL vet, 8 time Pro Bowler, and three time All-Pro; was suspended the first six games of 2019 so has not played this year.

The Why: Not only is Peterson one of the best corners in football, he also fits seamlessly in the Chiefs defensive scheme. The Cardinals are going nowhere this year, but certainly could in the next 2-3 years with Kyler Murray at the helm. Kansas City has a seemingly improved secondary from a year ago (though that’s not saying much), but would definitively benefit from adding a corner with Peterson’s talent to the roster.

The How: This trade makes sense for Arizona because they’re going to get a first round pick in return. It will be tough for Kansas City fans to stomach forking over another first round pick, but this team has a chance to compete for a Super Bowl now, and should not sit back and wait. The draft is just too risky. The Chiefs will want to negotiate an extension upon completing the trade, but that should allow them to front load the contract, get out of it late as Peterson ages, and save cap space for the pending Jones/Mahomes extensions.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2019/10/16/nfl-trade-deadline-ideas-kansas-city-chiefs-brett-veach-patrick-peterson/6/

MAHOMO 4 LIFE! · 10-16-2019, 10:53 PM

Veach should just trade away all of our draft picks. He has gotten more production from our 2018 UDFA class then he has the actual draft class

Wilson8 · 10-17-2019, 01:18 AM

Good thread and interesting ideas.

1. TE Ben Watson signed back with Patriots on Tuesday. I agree he would be a good pickup for Chiefs. I think he could help Travis Kelce be even better and would be a good leader for team. Sorry we did not sign him.

2. I would still like the Chiefs to trade for Patrick Peterson. I would give Arizona a 1st round pick but maybe just a 2021 1st round pick.

3. Muhammad Wilkerson might be a good signing but I think I would be happy with NT Mike Pennel to help with strength in the middle.

4. Don't think we need another RB. We just need to use McCoy, Williams, Williams, and Thompson better than we are now.

5. I don't want to trade away all of our draft picks.

6. I would like to sign FA Safety T.J. McDonald. I would like to play him like we do Daniel Sorensen now.

7. I would sign CB Mike Jackson Sr from Cowboys practice squad.

8. Don't know what to do about middle linebacker. Zach Brown sounds good, but go out and watch him in recent games. He was good, but not any longer. Maybe a trade for a MLB is possible. Maybe bring Stephone Anthony in for a look.

9. I've voiced my opinion on Chiefs really needing a good 2nd TE, but really I don't think they have used Blake Bell or Deon Yelder like they could, so I am good with what we have this time.

10. If Eric Fisher not coming back soon, maybe see about trade for Trent Williams.

scho63 · 10-17-2019, 03:05 AM

TEX · 10-17-2019, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho

I don't know of any great fix for this year, but finding inexpensive talent in the draft is the only long-term solution. Trading away future picks for vets (Miller, Harris, Petersen, Howard, etc.) is expensive and rarely works the way you imagine.

Veach has to get more from the draft. If he can't do that, then we need to fire him or get used to being the Packers of the AFC (all-world QB and little else).

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tyreekthefreak · 10-17-2019, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

Teach the linebackers which gap to fill and how to play the intermediate zone and force short/intermediate throws to the boundary only.

Require that all players double up on their film study. Check that ... triple up.

Kick Sammy in the balls and tell him to man up.

FAX

The down lineman need to maintain their gaps too. Nadi and Saunders were hitting the same gap last week and left huge holes for what's his name to run through...

rabblerouser · 10-17-2019, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

Teach the linebackers which gap to fill and how to play the intermediate zone and force short/intermediate throws to the boundary only.

Require that all players double up on their film study. Check that ... triple up.

Kick Sammy in the balls and tell him to man up.

FAX

FAX THE SHOULD BE A FOOTBALL COACH

**New World Order** · 10-17-2019, 04:38 AM

A PP deal (if reasonable), Zach Brown or Brandon Marshall, and Justin Ellis would be nice.

If PP isn't possible, Geno Atkins please.

10-16-2019, 09:46 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1954088	Some options to help fix our weakness’ A couple of these moves get made, it helps our chances. 1) Muhamed Wilkerson might be worth a workout. He’s a couple seasons removed from being an elite, dominant player against the run and is a free agent. Last year he got an ankle injury early in the year and should be completely healthy and turns 30 on Tuesday. I know he’s played mostly in a 2 gap 3-4 so his responsibilities would be similar here as a rotational under tackle. 2) Trade for Josh Jackson from GB. He’s a ball hawk zone corner that is buried on the depth chart. I’m sure he could be had for a late rounder. Very talented and has elite ball skills. 3) Call Elway and inquire about Von and CHJ after we beat them Thursday. Von has been a very productive OLB in a 4-3 in his early years and could help us a lot in that capacity now. Chris Harris would be a huge get in this secondary. I know he’s old, but he is a solid vet that still plays well and is great in the locker room. These options are obviously a long shot, but would be amazing. I’d gladly give up a 3 in this draft and a 2 in the next draft for the pair...maybe even a little more. 4) Sign Mason Foster, Zach Brown or Malcom Smith to help our LB corps. This is the worst position group on the team and some of the guys need to be shown the door. 5) Trade for Patrick Peterson, Byron Jones or Xavien Howard to take over CB1 duties. 6) Bring EJ Gaines, Kayvon Webster and Briean Boddy-Calhoun in for workouts to see if one of them can help our secondary. 7) Sign Willie Henry, Mike Pennel, Demario Peko or Justin Ellis to help out the front line run defense. 8) Sign ASJ or Ben Watson to help out at TE2. 9) Move a late rounder to TB for OJ Howard. We need TE2 upgraded and OJ paired with Kelce would be a nice combo. 10) You tell us one I haven’t listed.
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $6469148	I don't know of any great fix for this year, but finding inexpensive talent in the draft is the only long-term solution. Trading away future picks for vets (Miller, Harris, Petersen, Howard, etc.) is expensive and rarely works the way you imagine. Veach has to get more from the draft. If he can't do that, then we need to fire him or get used to being the Packers of the AFC (all-world QB and little else).
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10-16-2019, 09:58 PM	#7
T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4617293	More FA / trade deadline fapping: The Kansas City Chiefs have holes to address before they can call themselves Super Bowl Contenders. Here’s some trade deadline ideas. Target: Geno Atkins DT Specs: 31 years old, 10 year NFL vet, 6’1, 300 lb., 7-time Pro Bowler, one-time 1st Team All Pro The Why: Atkins is not the 2015 First Team All-Pro player that he once was, but he is significantly more capable of holding down the middle of the defensive line than any of the current active bodies along the Chiefs’ front. In addition, a eventual combination of Jones/Atkins would be a monster duo for Kansas City to deploy in January. The How: This would represent a significant financial investment for the team and that would need to be balanced in any trade offer. Kansas City likely cuts bait after this season, but would take on $15m in dead cap over the next three years to do so. Maybe they could turn around and re-trade him after the season to avoid some of that hit. At any rate, it seems like the Bengals would be wise to be sellers. They would probably want a 2nd round pick for Atkins, but at his age and with his cap hit over the next several seasons, Veach should push to make the move for a 3rd round selection instead. Target: Preston Brown MLB Specs: 26 years old, 5 year NFL vet, 6’1, 250 lb, nearly 600 career tackles in 5+ seasons, injuries limited 2018 but has started all six games for Cincinnati this year. The Why: Brown is a run stuffing inside linebacker who is fair in pass coverage but excels playing at the line of scrimmage. He’s averaging nearly 7 tackles per game over the course of this season and his career. He hasn’t been asked to do much pass coverage this year, but also would not be asked to do much of that in K.C. He would instantly upgrade the run defense for Steve Spagnuolo’s defense and even if he gave only average play, would have an impact. The How: Brown has a modest cap hit each season topping out around $5.8m in the 2021 season, which makes him an attractive option for a Chiefs team who will soon be up against the cap. And, if it doesn’t work the team can get out of the duration of the contract (2 years) for only $2.5m in dead cap space. The Bengals may be hesitant to let go of Brown, but the team should take any and all offers for any players who are unlikely to be a part of any significant turnaround, and with his ability to hit free agency after the 2021 season, Brown will likely want to move on before he hits 30. Target: Kenyon Drake RB Specs: 25 years old, 3 year NFL vet, 6’1, 211 lb, who has averaged 4.6 yards/carry for his career (including a dismal 3.7 to start 2019) The Why: Give me a downhill, power running back with a history of a 5.0 ypc average (prior to this season) on an expiring contract who is owed less than $1.5m the rest of this season. Drake has never been given an opportunity to be a feature back in Miami. In addition, obviously, Miami has already started to cash in on all trade-able assets this season, and Drake should be no different. Its clear at this point the team does not see him as a feature back and it seems highly unlikely that he’ll be resigning with the Dolphins. The How: An expiring contract for a running back averaging only 3.7 ypc this season on a team who is in the midsts of a fire sale? Drake can be had for a 5th round pick and Kansas City has made it clear that they do not believe any of their current RBs can be a feature, ground-and-pound kind of back. This move is difficult for the Chiefs from a roster construction standpoint, but cutting bait with a superfluous player like DAT for a downhill power running like Drake should be a no-brainer. Target: Charles Clay TE Specs: 30 years old, 8 year NFL veteran, 6’3″, 246 lb, with a 10+ yards/catch average for his career The Why: Kansas City has a depth issue both in terms of blocking and pass catching at the tight end level. If we have learned anything from the first third of the Chiefs’ season, depth can make or break a team with Super Bowl aspirations. Kansas City has essentially no tight end depth behind All Pro Travis Kelce; and even with him playing, they could stand to have a veteran blocker with, reliable hands as a second option. This would not only help to keep Patrick Mahomes upright, but could also help to further exploit how defenses are trying to play them (man coverage). Additionally, Arizona has essentially decided not to use Clay in any meaningful way in their new offense. The How: Given the state of their roster and position in their division (miles behind the Seahawks and the 49ers), Arizona should be looking to move on from older players who are not part of the game plan. Clay certainly fits that bill. Compounding that is the fact that he’s on an expiring contract and we don’t see the Cardinals bringing him back with the younger, stronger Ricky Seals-Jones on the roster. Arizona will take the first 6th round pick that walks through the door and the Chiefs should be happy to give it. Target: Patrick Peterson CB Specs: 29 years old, 8 year NFL vet, 8 time Pro Bowler, and three time All-Pro; was suspended the first six games of 2019 so has not played this year. The Why: Not only is Peterson one of the best corners in football, he also fits seamlessly in the Chiefs defensive scheme. The Cardinals are going nowhere this year, but certainly could in the next 2-3 years with Kyler Murray at the helm. Kansas City has a seemingly improved secondary from a year ago (though that’s not saying much), but would definitively benefit from adding a corner with Peterson’s talent to the roster. The How: This trade makes sense for Arizona because they’re going to get a first round pick in return. It will be tough for Kansas City fans to stomach forking over another first round pick, but this team has a chance to compete for a Super Bowl now, and should not sit back and wait. The draft is just too risky. The Chiefs will want to negotiate an extension upon completing the trade, but that should allow them to front load the contract, get out of it late as Peterson ages, and save cap space for the pending Jones/Mahomes extensions. https://arrowheadaddict.com/2019/10/16/nfl-trade-deadline-ideas-kansas-city-chiefs-brett-veach-patrick-peterson/6/ __________________ You seem nice!
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Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $3657557	Good thread and interesting ideas. 1. TE Ben Watson signed back with Patriots on Tuesday. I agree he would be a good pickup for Chiefs. I think he could help Travis Kelce be even better and would be a good leader for team. Sorry we did not sign him. 2. I would still like the Chiefs to trade for Patrick Peterson. I would give Arizona a 1st round pick but maybe just a 2021 1st round pick. 3. Muhammad Wilkerson might be a good signing but I think I would be happy with NT Mike Pennel to help with strength in the middle. 4. Don't think we need another RB. We just need to use McCoy, Williams, Williams, and Thompson better than we are now. 5. I don't want to trade away all of our draft picks. 6. I would like to sign FA Safety T.J. McDonald. I would like to play him like we do Daniel Sorensen now. 7. I would sign CB Mike Jackson Sr from Cowboys practice squad. 8. Don't know what to do about middle linebacker. Zach Brown sounds good, but go out and watch him in recent games. He was good, but not any longer. Maybe a trade for a MLB is possible. Maybe bring Stephone Anthony in for a look. 9. I've voiced my opinion on Chiefs really needing a good 2nd TE, but really I don't think they have used Blake Bell or Deon Yelder like they could, so I am good with what we have this time. 10. If Eric Fisher not coming back soon, maybe see about trade for Trent Williams.
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