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Old 11-25-2007, 05:10 PM  
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Query, did this game cost Allen his payday

Not that he played particularly bad, but this unit presents itself as one with NO ONE deserving of a big payday.
There's no one who screams we need this guy or we'll fall apart. We've fallen apart. Now to rebuild.
Franchise him? Sure, if you sense he'll perform as a franchised player. Set the bar for D-Line Ks? Not with this squad.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:15 PM   #2
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Allen is still in running for DPOY.

So what he had one bad game. The entire defense was bad, not just him.

He deserves to get paid, and he will get paid.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:16 PM   #3
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Gotta sign him long-term and hope for the best, which isn't what I said about LJ. Allen is young, plays at a much, much more important position and should get better.

Even IF you get picks for him, who do you take? No one in this entire draft is worth Allen; MAYBE Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey are great but you just don't do that.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:18 PM   #4
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Cost him his pay day.......depends on the rest of the year. If he turns invisible and does nothing the rest of the year then yes he will get a lot less money...

But after resigning a RB if they walked away from a DE it would be a bonehead move of monumental proportions.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:21 PM   #5
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Don't give up on him yet. I think he played most of the second half with a shoulder stinger. He looked like he was really hurt coming off the field in the 3rd Quarter. He chased the doctors off. I think he played with it, but it affected his mobility and strength.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him on the injury report next week.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:24 PM   #6
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Again, I'm not talking about his personal performance. I'm talking about a team that needs a different approach than retaining superstars. Because at this point we don't have a UNIT that can bring out a superstar.
We need to coach up a bunch of 'nobodies' to mold into somebodies, not a bunch of scrubs to fill out a roster around a core of superstars.

We've already seen what surrounding our superstar RB with scrubs on the o-line paid off.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:28 PM   #7
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You build a team around DE's you don't get rid of them.....they need better DT's and some other guys need to be replaced.

Hell Hali has been invisible nearly this entire year.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:31 PM   #8
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I'm not the type of guy to go bumping old threads, especially after a loss like this, but I do love how people acknowledge things after a loss but fail to do so after the wins and good performances.

I said a long time ago this season Hali was not playing well and stated how invisible he'd been. People should've either buttoned it or watched the guy more to realize what I was saying was true; THAT way, your expectations won't be destroyed as the year goes on.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:34 PM   #9
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He's been great, and he had one bad game. Walter Payton and Barry Sanders had occasional bad games, too.

I don't know if he just felt bad today, or if that Raider LT was having a great day. Either way, he got shut down badly and it really hurt us.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:35 PM   #10
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You build a team around DE's you don't get rid of them.....they need better DT's and some other guys need to be replaced.

Hell Hali has been invisible nearly this entire year.
You build your team around LTs. That's the ONE surefire foundational position. It defines/d the Rams, Seahawks, and our offensive success. It's an underappreciated cog in the Pats' dynasty, it's effect is even now being shown in that 'shell' of a team, the Colts. The closest to having a 'foundation' DE is Cinci with Justin Smith, and they haven't exactly thrived either.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:55 PM   #11
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:57 PM   #12
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They got their yardage on the left side. Donnie Edwards was vacant in the flat. Hali got trapped/pushed out of contain. A lot of ooo's and oow's and "Oh, that's what I should have done"'s in the film room.
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:04 PM   #13
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Great point, Mr. Baby Lee. That is, if I understand it correctly.

Every good team has one or two standout players, though. Now, do they stand out because they are that much better than their teammates or is it because the scheme showcases them?

Although true that Carl has proven once and for all that having a multi-million dollar RB and no offensive line is a bad plan. I don't think, however, that Allen's situation is identical. We have a lot of youth on defense and Allen was playing hurt today (or so I've heard).

The fact remains that, if Allen has a bad day - or doesn't play at all, the defense suffers. It should be easy to evaluate on film which should be enough to guarantee him a well-paying roster spot somewhere, if not on the Chiefs.

By the way, did we run any stunts with Allen today?

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Old 11-25-2007, 06:07 PM   #14
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our defense isn't good enough to have to rely on it with zero offense.
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Old 11-25-2007, 07:03 PM   #15
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From what I've seen you could bench JA in the second half and see no drop off in his yearly stats. That isn't what you want in your highest paid DE.
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