Football Least Deserving Hall of Famers: San Francisco 49ers

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 01:38 PM

VOTE FOR THREE.

With all of the talk about undeserving people in the Hall of Fame, I thought it might be interesting to identify the absolute least deserving people in the Hall of Fame.

I'll do this first for players, identifying the least deserving players by team, and then we'll do a heat or two for non-players.

Poll coming in less time than it takes for the 49ers to build a 20 point lead on the Broncos in a Super Bowl.

You can read profiles of the players here, in a very unfriendly format on the HoF site: https://www.profootballhof.com/heroe...me/franchises/

Rules note: If a team has less than 10 HoFers, I'll combine them with another team to get to that number.

ThaVirus · 06-02-2019, 01:48 PM

Steve Young was ****ing incredible.

... I have nothing further to add.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Steve Young was ****ing incredible.

... I have nothing further to add.

He's very underrated.

But here's something interesting I didn't know about him. NFL Network has been showing ancient reruns of the quarterback challenge, and they had one on last week that was from 1994 or so.

One of the events was simply a long-throw contest. The quarterbacks just heaved the ball as far as they could.

And man, Steve Young was a pipsqueak. The winning quarterbacks (can't remember who) were at 73 to 74 yards, and they commented that Vinny Testaverde held the record from a previous year at 80. All of the quarterbacks were clustered from about 67 yards to 73 yards except Steve Young, who was at 54 yards. And apparently this was normal, as he'd participated before with the same result.

He was a big strong guy so I was shocked that he would have not only the weakest arm, but the weakest by a long shot.

big nasty kcnut · 06-02-2019, 04:15 PM

Bob st clair is not a man he eat his meat raw. Don't vote against him.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 07:05 PM

Reviews:

Bob St. Clair - 11 seasons, 4 all-pros at tackle. Ate his meat raw, as kcnut says. Massive, massive guy for his era at 6-9 and 260+ pounds.

Charles Haley - 12 seasons, 2 all-pros at OLB and DE. Twice named the NFC defensive player of the year. 100.5 career sacks.

Dave Wilcox - 11 seasons, 5 all-pros. Well regarded as a strong side linebacker controlling tight ends.

Hugh McElhenny - 13 seasons at running back, with over 11,000 combined yards (8,500 yards from scrimmage). Running and receiving threat. 4.7 ypc rushing over his career, and was known for electrifying plays.

Jerry Rice - 20 seasons at WR, holds NFL career records for receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Had 14 1,000-yard seasons. Pretty productive overall.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 07:33 PM

Jimmy Johnson - 16 seasons at cornerback, 4 all pros, 47 interceptions. Known as one of the first shutdown corners, as quarterbacks tended to avoid his side of the field.

Joe Montana - Don't even think about it.

Joe Perry - 16 seasons at running back, over 9,700 rushing yards. First NFL player to have back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons. Averaged 4.8 ypc over his career. Known as "The Jet". Never played for the Jets.

Leo Nomellini - 14 seasons at defensive tackle, 6 all pros. Never missed a game. All-pro selections at both defensive tackle and offensive tackle. Never missed a game, also a member of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. Known as "The Lion". Never played for the Lions.

Ronnie Lott - 14 seasons, 8 all-pros even though Deron Cherry was better. Recorded 63 interceptions. Played all four defensive back positions, and was a pro bowler at cornerback, free safety, and strong safety. Really good safety, almost as good as Deron Cherry.

Steve Young - 15 seasons, led the league in passing yards six times (tied with Sammy Baugh for all-time most seasons leading league). 33,000 career passing yards. Two-time NFL MVP. Noted for signing a 40-year contract with the USFL.

Terrell Owens - 15 seasons damaging teams' morale, over 1,000 receptions and over 15,000 receiving yards. 153 receiving TDs is second-highest in NFL history, while yardage ranks third all time. Greatest player ever, according to his web site.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 07:37 PM

Overall, this is a pretty deserving group. I've got nothing against most of these guys. My votes against players would be:

1. Dave Wilcox. I saw the tail end of his career. He was fine. Not the best, but fine.

2. Charles Haley. He was good. I'll give him that. But he went from one strong team to another, and I think he gets too much credit for the Super Bowl rings.

3. Terrell Owens. Stats are amazing. Strongly dislike the player, so I'm voting against him with my third vote.

ThaVirus · 06-02-2019, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

He's very underrated.

But here's something interesting I didn't know about him. NFL Network has been showing ancient reruns of the quarterback challenge, and they had one on last week that was from 1994 or so.

One of the events was simply a long-throw contest. The quarterbacks just heaved the ball as far as they could.

And man, Steve Young was a pipsqueak. The winning quarterbacks (can't remember who) were at 73 to 74 yards, and they commented that Vinny Testaverde held the record from a previous year at 80. All of the quarterbacks were clustered from about 67 yards to 73 yards except Steve Young, who was at 54 yards. And apparently this was normal, as he'd participated before with the same result.

He was a big strong guy so I was shocked that he would have not only the weakest arm, but the weakest by a long shot.

Funny you mention it because I saw a similar (or maybe the same) clip the other day. IIRC, I saw Favre, Bledsoe, Kordell Stewart and Steve McNair. What a blast from the past.

But, yeah. Just goes to show that arm strength isn't required to be an elite QB. Young and Brees have relatively weak arms. Peyton and Brady in their old age lost some heat. I don't think Montana had a particularly strong arm either but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Funny you mention it because I saw a similar (or maybe the same) clip the other day. IIRC, I saw Favre, Bledsoe, Kordell Stewart and Steve McNair. What a blast from the past.

But, yeah. Just goes to show that arm strength isn't required to be an elite QB. Young and Brees have relatively weak arms. Peyton and Brady in their old age lost some heat. I don't think Montana had a particularly strong arm either but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I wonder what Montana's range was, but i doubt that he would lower himself to competing in a quarterback challenge.

But yeah, he had a reputation for not having a strong arm. Steve Young, though, shocks me. Young was a big guy.

rabblerouser · 06-02-2019, 08:09 PM

I misread, thought it was 3 most deserving.

My bad. This is me not on weed.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I misread, thought it was 3 most deserving.

My bad. This is me not on weed.

I was thinking that perhaps I needed to have a serious football discussion with you.

Deberg_1990 · 06-02-2019, 09:15 PM

Joe Montan.............................

I kid, i kid!!

oldman · 06-02-2019, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Overall, this is a pretty deserving group. I've got nothing against most of these guys. My votes against players would be:

1. Dave Wilcox. I saw the tail end of his career. He was fine. Not the best, but fine.

2. Charles Haley. He was good. I'll give him that. But he went from one strong team to another, and I think he gets too much credit for the Super Bowl rings.

3. Terrell Owens. Stats are amazing. Strongly dislike the player, so I'm voting against him with my third vote.

Again, I gave the ones I didn't see play or not enough a pass. I really felt Tittle should have been with the 49ers rather than in the other group. His glory days were in SF. Otherwise, I agree.

**Rain Man** · 06-02-2019, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

Again, I gave the ones I didn't see play or not enough a pass. I really felt Tittle should have been with the 49ers rather than in the other group. His glory days were in SF. Otherwise, I agree.

Yeah, I kind of messed up Tittle. I didn't have my system down yet. But I wouldn't expect him to miss the cut on either team.

tatorhog · 06-03-2019, 10:58 AM

Who's the Rice guy?

Glad we went with Ethan Horton at 15 and let that dead weight guy fall to SF at 16.

View Poll Results: Vote for the THREE LEAST DESERVING HoFers on this list.
Bob St. Clair	1	5.26%
Charles Haley	5	26.32%
Dave Wilcox	5	26.32%
Hugh McElhenny	2	10.53%
Jerry Rice	4	21.05%
Jimmy Johnson (the CB, not the coach)	2	10.53%
Joe Montana	3	15.79%
Joe Perry	2	10.53%
Leo Nomellini	1	5.26%
Ronnie Lott	3	15.79%
Steve Young	5	26.32%
Terrell Owens	8	42.11%
All of these players are deserving.	1	5.26%
I expected more 49ers from the 80s. Guess not.	2	10.53%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

06-02-2019, 01:38 PM
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3368491 VARSITY	Least Deserving Hall of Famers: San Francisco 49ers VOTE FOR THREE. With all of the talk about undeserving people in the Hall of Fame, I thought it might be interesting to identify the absolute least deserving people in the Hall of Fame. I'll do this first for players, identifying the least deserving players by team, and then we'll do a heat or two for non-players. Poll coming in less time than it takes for the 49ers to build a 20 point lead on the Broncos in a Super Bowl. You can read profiles of the players here, in a very unfriendly format on the HoF site: https://www.profootballhof.com/heroe...me/franchises/ Rules note: If a team has less than 10 HoFers, I'll combine them with another team to get to that number.
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06-02-2019, 01:48 PM	#2
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big nasty kcnut The pizza king of kansas Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Somewhere in the u.s.a. Casino cash: $1670900	Bob st clair is not a man he eat his meat raw. Don't vote against him. __________________ When it's grim, be the grim reaper and go get it. Adopt a chiefs Travis Kelce. You woke up the wrong mother****er!
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06-02-2019, 07:05 PM	#5
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3368491 VARSITY	Reviews: Bob St. Clair - 11 seasons, 4 all-pros at tackle. Ate his meat raw, as kcnut says. Massive, massive guy for his era at 6-9 and 260+ pounds. Charles Haley - 12 seasons, 2 all-pros at OLB and DE. Twice named the NFC defensive player of the year. 100.5 career sacks. Dave Wilcox - 11 seasons, 5 all-pros. Well regarded as a strong side linebacker controlling tight ends. Hugh McElhenny - 13 seasons at running back, with over 11,000 combined yards (8,500 yards from scrimmage). Running and receiving threat. 4.7 ypc rushing over his career, and was known for electrifying plays. Jerry Rice - 20 seasons at WR, holds NFL career records for receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Had 14 1,000-yard seasons. Pretty productive overall. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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06-02-2019, 07:33 PM	#6
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3368491 VARSITY	Jimmy Johnson - 16 seasons at cornerback, 4 all pros, 47 interceptions. Known as one of the first shutdown corners, as quarterbacks tended to avoid his side of the field. Joe Montana - Don't even think about it. Joe Perry - 16 seasons at running back, over 9,700 rushing yards. First NFL player to have back to back 1,000 yard rushing seasons. Averaged 4.8 ypc over his career. Known as "The Jet". Never played for the Jets. Leo Nomellini - 14 seasons at defensive tackle, 6 all pros. Never missed a game. All-pro selections at both defensive tackle and offensive tackle. Never missed a game, also a member of the National Wrestling Hall of Fame. Known as "The Lion". Never played for the Lions. Ronnie Lott - 14 seasons, 8 all-pros even though Deron Cherry was better. Recorded 63 interceptions. Played all four defensive back positions, and was a pro bowler at cornerback, free safety, and strong safety. Really good safety, almost as good as Deron Cherry. Steve Young - 15 seasons, led the league in passing yards six times (tied with Sammy Baugh for all-time most seasons leading league). 33,000 career passing yards. Two-time NFL MVP. Noted for signing a 40-year contract with the USFL. Terrell Owens - 15 seasons damaging teams' morale, over 1,000 receptions and over 15,000 receiving yards. 153 receiving TDs is second-highest in NFL history, while yardage ranks third all time. Greatest player ever, according to his web site. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
Posts: 141,247

06-02-2019, 07:37 PM	#7
Rain Man NFL's #1 Ermines Fan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $3368491 VARSITY	Overall, this is a pretty deserving group. I've got nothing against most of these guys. My votes against players would be: 1. Dave Wilcox. I saw the tail end of his career. He was fine. Not the best, but fine. 2. Charles Haley. He was good. I'll give him that. But he went from one strong team to another, and I think he gets too much credit for the Super Bowl rings. 3. Terrell Owens. Stats are amazing. Strongly dislike the player, so I'm voting against him with my third vote. __________________ I'm putting random letters here as a celebration of free speech: xigrakgrah misorojeq rkemeseit.
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06-02-2019, 08:09 PM	#10
rabblerouser left blank intentionally Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Belize Nuts Casino cash: $4704897	I misread, thought it was 3 most deserving. My bad. This is me not on weed. __________________ MY ADOPT-A-CHIEF : Jody Fortson Jr.
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06-02-2019, 09:15 PM	#12
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06-03-2019, 10:58 AM	#15
tatorhog When pigs fly Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $8994785	Who's the Rice guy? Glad we went with Ethan Horton at 15 and let that dead weight guy fall to SF at 16.
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