Yes? Humphries is hurt all the ****ing time. Let's say you sign him to be a bridge and he inevitably gets hurt a month into the season. Great. Now you're forced to plug in Suamataia regardless AND he hasn't gotten valuable first team reps since you wasted them on Humphries.

2015 doesn't play because he's fat and lazy.
2017 on IR with a knee.
2018 on IR with a knee.
2022 on IR with a back.
2023 on IR with a knee.
2024 can't play because he's not in football shape.

You want a stopgap while Suamataia develops? Fine, but at the very least find someone that's just a bit more dependable.

As xztop123 pointed out, we need to quit paying our players top of the market contracts. We have $71 million tied up in 3 offensive linemen. I was good with all the contracts but now we also will need to pay a LT too.

We need to cut salary where its going to hurt elsewhere. Like paying Bolton a top $ contract for being a great run stopper. We need LB's with more speed to cover the RB/LB's out of the backfield. FTR, I love Bolton as a player but this is just a cap thing. Just like Reid is still at the top of his game but we need to let him go.

Let’s also call a spade a spade, Andy Reid knows some Pro Bowl LT isn’t walking through that door this summer and your offense needs to evolve anyways (which should be easy with the amount of quick targets you can throw to Worthy and Rice)

So don’t leave your tackles out to dry all the damn time. EVOLVE with the game. OL play is rough in general right now, you have to help those guys more whether you want to or not.

At this point I would bet money it’s Cam Robinson. He’s better than what Mahomes has had since Eric Fisher.

May be a bit of a hot take but I'd heavily sniff around Jedrick Wills as a potential Reclamation. On paper it should be a non starter given the injury problems but I'm not so sure that isn't the Browns being laughably incompetent. Look at what they've done to both Mayfield and Watson.

Without watching any tape, I do think Wills is somewhat interesting. Watson’s style doesn’t do OL any favors.

Former first round pick. Kind of fits Veach's MO. I wouldn't be opposed. They should be turning over every stone they can.

Robinson did get a lot of heat for performance vs. Jared Verse and that probably isn’t the most fair considering Verse ****ed Mailata up too.

Suffice to say if you play the Rams in the foreseeable future, your OL is going to have their hands full.

All the more reason for us to be investing in DL heavy.

For the record, definitely not as a plug and play or anything, just get him in the organization and see if he's got anything valuable to offer at one of the four positions. Humphrey is the only player currently on our OL that you can confidently pencil in as a long term player and they really need to get busy backfilling it with talent. Same reason I'd heavily consider Josh Simmons regardless of what happens in the off season. A top 10 OT talent sliding that far isn't going to happen often.

What's the knock on Robinson? If he is being allowed to move on or not resigned?

He was a stopgap for Darrisaw.

Jared Verse had the same amount of pressures as Chris Jones as a rookie. Tied for 4th most in the entire league.

That guy is gonna be the best pass rusher in the NFL soon. No shame for Robinson on that one.

Vikings have Darrisaw and O'Neill at bookends. There'd be no reason to keep Robinson regardless unless they want to pay him OT money to play G

So the more I stew on it... yeah I think Veach should and will go the route of Robinson or some other vet on the market. Stanley would be the preference but they aren't going to let him out of the building.

Robinson as an example, that's a guy who can play the position and is durable. 6'6" 335 lbs. He's basically Orlando Brown but a better scheme fit. He isn't going to dominate or beat the elite edge rushers, but who is? (besides Stanley at times)

Maybe you get a decent deal too with his stock lower after the matchup vs. Verse.

But to have LT solved before the draft - and again, it would be because we just need a decent starter - that would be so beneficial entering this draft with the picks we have.

Then you can still develop Kingsley whether it's as T or the next RG, and Wanya can still be the RT of the future.

You go into the draft and go BPA with an intent to stock up your DL and OL. You take CB if another McDuffie/Mitchell/Dejean BPA type is there. You may even go RB in round 2.

All in all, it's a non-overreactionary plan that I believe positions you to still dominate the AFC as you kill so many birds in one offseason.

You're way over simplifying Bolton's role on the defense. He's the exact kind of player you do extend while letting Trey Smith go somewhere else to underperform.

The Rams game is whatever. What I'm very concerned about is 9 pressures against a Lions team with no juice on the DL. Darnold was playing like a ****ing idiot but IIRC Robinson was doing him no favors giving up almost immediately on at least a couple plays

He's a guy that's going to get overpaid because there's little supply and a lot of demand. He's about as good as Taylor but will likely get paid more. It's not gonna happen.

I hear it, but that's also Darnold who loves to hold the football.

I dunno who they can get that isn't ripe to have a bad game here or there. Probably only Stanley who they won't have a shot at, and he's a durability red flag.

Need to have a conversation with Pederson as well about why they ultimately gave up on him.

If he's a $20M per year player, would you rather give it to him or Trey Smith?

Once upon a time I woulda said Trey. But this year, I can't do it anymore. Mahomes needs someone on that backside who puts his mind to rest.

That's a loaded question. I'm not paying either of them. Cam Robinson IS Trey Smith in this scenario. Going to get paid way more than he's worth.

That they almost put Kingsley in at LG in the Super Bowl is pretty telling to me. They were going to do that before putting Humphries in.

Says a lot about both players and their futures here.

Because if Cam Robinson is what y'all say he is, they wouldn't have traded him for a day 3 pick and ate 7 million to facilitate it, especially since they really didn't have **** all behind him either. Something is up there.

What do you do then?

Betting on Kingsley and Wanya isn't an answer and I don't see any chance they start draft night without an egg in hand.

They extended their LT mid-season to a fairly sizable deal.

Gave Walker Little 3-years, $45M in December.

If you could get Robinson for that deal, I 1000% would.

Extending Walker Little to a 15 million AAV deal doesn't move the needle at all especially considering Harrison being terrible. Something caused them to give up on him and they really need to figure out what that was before shelling out a 20+ million contract.

Not would I. If memory serves me correctly when healthy he was one of the better LTs in the game.

I personally think Veach does something none of us expect. Like trading for OBJ out of the blue.

Personally, I don't know what I would do. This just isn't a good year to get a long-term solution. If they need a stopgap, there will be more cost effective options available I'm sure. Free agency hasn't started yet. Somebody will get cut that we aren't even thinking about.

I don't disagree on that. I just hate the thought of entering this draft, having by far the BPA available say as a CB or pass rusher, and being forced to go LT because we didn't get an answer ahead of time.

It's going to take more than just solid LT play to get back to the Super Bowl.

You aren't getting Robinson for 3/$45M. It's going to be at least four years. He's going to want more than Taylor.

That's just not gonna happen. The team doesn't suffer from the myopia fans do.

While most of the offseason focus will be on LT, KC also needs to focus on quality depth pieces. Thinking back on the season and SB, the biggest FA loss for this team was Alegretti. His ability to plug and play was sorely missed.

I don't know, he's been paid once already. Taylor hadn't. I'm thinking Orlando Brown money ($16/17M per) is his area.

Cam Robinson is easily the best FA LT option that’s been available to us since Trent Williams 4 years ago.

He’s average LT that is a plus pass protector. In fact I’ve heard multiple Chiefs people say he’s very similar to Eric Fisher and played in this offense for years.

This is a no brainer folks. Work a structured contract and get him in here. Robinson is miles better than anything this franchise has had the last 2 years and he’s 29.

There are no other options. Get it done and start building the team with draft picks

Cam Robinson over Stanley and Jackson?

Not a chance when mediocre/good Gs are up to over 20 million AAV now. Wouldn't shock me if he's closer to 30 than 20.

If he's the best option since Williams, somebody is going to pay him way more than what he's worth.

Get ready to be disappointed

They haven't been able to draft a LT, next option is to go pay one.

He’s the best option for us since Trent Williams. Speaking of Trent Williams…Veach was about to dump an absolute haul for him. Same with Orlando Brown Jr.

This team has a lot of money available. Creed is the only OL signed long term. They can get rid of Thuney and Jawaan with a clean cut after 2025. They have plenty of money.

I don’t much care about how much he cost. This FA class sucks balls and I’m sick of trotting unprepared developmental projects out there as well as old broken down LT’s with neck problems.

Don’t care. This is too big of a problem to not fix. Just pay it and get it over with.

It's the Mooney debate all over again. Folks thought he'd be here on a one year prove it deal for relative peanuts. Ended up on a 3 year 39 million AAV deal which in hindsight would've been the move to make.

Robert Hunt isn't much better as an IOL than Robinson is as an OT and he got 5/100.

Yeah, going to FA isn't ideal, but there's value to be had there.

Justin Reid was a great FA signing. We need more of those.

He's the best option for a lot of teams. He's going to get a lot more money than you think.

You're just being emotional. We lost. The LT situation is what it is.

We've been through this every year since Fisher went down. It's not going to play out the way anybody thinks it will. And if you get this emotional about one guy, you're going to have a big let down.

If Stanley isn’t an option Robinson is definitely the move. He’ll be more than good enough and we can use our picks to address other areas of need. Signing Robinson/Stanley gives us by far the best chance of rolling out a freshly balanced roster.

i’d rather overpay in cap hit for a guy than have to pony up multiple high picks.

So dont draft a guy in the late first cause he'll take time, don't trade up for one it's too risky, don't sign one in FA it's too expensive....

What are your ideas on making this work?

They've always been aggressive. They'll make a big move no one sees coming.

Yep. How we got Thuney.

They're going to have to get creative. And at some point, they're going to have to develop some guys.

The way for this team to continue doing what they are doing is to hit on guys like Kingsley. That's it.

Veach already said they're not going to be active in free agency, albeit before the Super Bowl.

And for the record, I'm not against drafting a LT in the late first. I just wouldn't give up picks to do it. The difference between 22 and 32 when it comes to tackles is nill.

Kinglsey is gonna slot in at RG I'd guess next year.

Which...I kinda think he'll be good at.

A lot of teams believe it or not don't need a LT like Robinson, or they're drafting high enough they may elect to go that route.

Much as was the case with Brown, I don't foresee it being a huge bidding war. And Brown had just won a freaking SB entering his FA.

On paper he should be a fantastic G. But I really hope a rough couple of games at OT hasn't been enough for them to write him off, especially when a significant portion of his struggles are on them.

Brown had a ****ing idiot for an agent. I wouldn't put much thought into how those negotiations went.

Eh, Andy seems to have a pretty good idea of OL. If they don't think he's a T, I'm gonna ride with that.

Yeah, if us dufus's can quickly come to the conclusion that Robinson id our best option out of all the bad options, Veach probably figured that out during the season preparing for next year.

I'll be glad to be wrong, I think the issues are bigger than a couple bad games.

Do what Philly did with Becton a few years sooner and just get the kid in position to help you win now. Very confident he can do that at RG.

If you put him at RG and he's a good player there, well, then you're just looking for a LT and puts you at a pretty solid OL RT-LG.

So if we have to have good players all along the OL for the offense to go I think we need to have a difference conversation here.

Veach threw his hands up and quit negotiating with OBJ and his representation, and from what I remember that happened with other teams as well before he settled on the Bengals for far less than what he could've gotten

We have to stop paying all our good players. The cap just doesn't allow it. We need to let Bolton and Reid walk. Pick a great LB in round 2 or 3.

This is the problem. It’s not being emotional. It’s being logical.

The Chiefs won’t ever pick high enough for a true LT prospect. The Chiefs can’t afford to trade the house to move up for one. An average LT rarely is available in FA, especially one that fits your offense.

And no not that many teams have a strong need for a LT. The Patriots are one of the few teams who do and they have the 4th overall pick to get any LT they want. The Bears have that same luxury picking in the top 10 so they won’t need to spend on Robinson.

And FFS people look at the contracts. “Robert Hunt got 5/100!” Okay? They can get out of his contract without much damage after 2025.

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People have to stop looking at the headline and realize the finer details in these contracts

What?

This team let Tyreek Hill and LJarius Sneed go.

We just traded out elite CB instead of paying him.

Who have they paid that they shouldn't have?

Eric Fisher played right tackle to start. Do t read too much into it. Where they put Kingsley this season has very little to do with his long term prospects.

Okay? The problem is if you want to get out from under that contract the player kind of sucks which means you're right back in the same situation. You're not signing Cam Robinson to a 5 year deal already planning on how to get out from under it in 2 years. That's just a waste of time for all involved

Playing the other tackle spot is a bit different than going to a guard spot.

Bolton and Reid are the guys you KEEP if the money is right. They're actually worth it because of positional value.

The guys you let walk are guys like Trey Smith.

Not really, no.

If they thought he was a guard, they wouldn't have made him the starter at LT to start the season. They were experimenting during the season, not just with him, but with the line as a whole. Out of necessity.

Yeah, you could theoretically keep Reid and Bolton for the price of Smith. Seems like an easy deal.

If they thought he was a guard they wouldn't have drafted him there, but things change.

Unless Bolton or the potential LT of 2025 comes cheaper than I think they will, I think Reid's a goner

This is his last shot to get paid big, he's earned it. When you have the replacement already very clearly in the wings, that's one you can risk letting go of.

And for the record, that's not negligable cap damage. That's eating 24 million in dead money. If you're cutting anybody in that situation, you ****ed up bigly.

I'm not saying don't sign Cam Robinson. I'm saying people better be prepared to watch other parts of the team get worse because of it.

There's just not a GOOD solution. Robinson may be the best solution available but better than bad does not equal good.

Anyway it's all gonna be moot. The moment this board gets fixated like this, the guy signs somewhere else.

I think we're at the point where....the defense is gonna have to atrophy a little. They've gotta get the offense back to a high level.

He's the "best LT available". He's not signing a contract like that. See OBJ.

The contract has tens of millions in rolling guarantees. It's not easy to get out from under regardless.

He's not. But he point is even if he DID if you actually wanted to use the built in escape hatch you ****ed up in your evaluation.

Of course. But just look at this thread.

We all know the ONLY way to solve the LT position long term is to get one in the draft. Look at all the teams and names going around.

Unfortunately nobody has the patience for it.

The best part of signing a guy like Cam Robinson is that we will be right back here in two years bitching about how the LT position STILL isn't solved.

How many contracts we have given out since Sneed? Jones and Creed have got top $ contracts last year. Mahomes at $66 million and we will have $100+ million in the OL and on the cap.Mcduffie and Karlaftis is coming up next year. You paying them too? Reid is at the top of his game, you paying him too?

How does this team get worse based upon that? I am expecting Nick Bolton to be kept and maybe a smaller type deal for Turk Wharton. Everyone else is probably gone.

Guys. They’ve got 3 draft picks in the top 66 and 4 in the top 100. This is the best draft capital Veach has had in any draft he’s ran except 2022.

They can get 3 starters and a rotational player with those picks.

We’re fine