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This piece of shit should have been killed the day that they caught him.

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/off-to...ia-deputy.html

LESSONS LEARNED

· Gain control of the situation
· Call your partner and/or call for backup
· Maintain control of the situation
· Make verbal commands clear to the subject
· Go one level higher than your attacker
· If subject lays hands on you, take him/her down
· Use whatever tools are necessary
· Never let subject return to his/her vehicle
· Keep the subject away from the vehicle and, if necessary, go to the vehicle yourself
· Determine when lethal force is justified; then, use it if called for
· Go by the book and lean on training as safeguards against liability issues
· Develop a scenario, a plan for any given situation.
· Be mentally and physically prepared to be a professional
· The issue of liability is not worth your life

If I died in such a manner, I would hope people would be smart enough to use the video for education. It might help save lives. Otherwise, I would have died for no reason at all. I think you are letting your god goggles cloud your vision. I do agree with you though on the entertainment point though. I'd assume his family would have some say in what happens with this tape. Who knows.

alot of the training videos used in the police force are pulled up through you tube, easier and cheaper to plug in through HDMI than to carry a tape and vhs around

That is dam brutal. It pisses me off.

Exactly...the lawyers are making good jack over this POS dirtbag.
I hope his lawyer has f'n nightmares :grr:

This f**ker's been getting 3 Hots and a Cot on my tax dime for the past decade?

Pretty much sums up what's wrong with the American judicial system.

That really ****ing pisses me off. **** that miserable piece of shit. I'm afraid I would love to see that ****er die a painful death.

Soon after 1:30, it sounds like he's yelling "Put the gun down." That is when the cop should have been shooting to exterminate that miserable ****s life.

I don't know why I watched this damn thing.

His lawyer probably makes $50,000 and hates the guy. I don't see why you fault the lawyer whose duty is to defend his client with zeal. Law and due process aren't new developments in America that came with socialism. So **** off.

I think I'll take a pass on this one. The description is enough for me.

Understandable.
I didn't actually watch the embedded video either.
I've seen enough death, no need to seek it out here.

This is why we need to spend more on training for law enforcement. No way does this perp make it to his next b-day in Boise. I feel for the deputy but he shouldn't have been in law enforcement. His hesitancy to end it before he was put in danger cost him his life.

That said the perp shouldhave been dead within a year of capture. The legal system needs an enema.

within a ****ing week.

If I was a cop(or other law enforcement) I would shoot 1st and answer questions later in this day and age.

I wish I was the guy that cuffed him.:bang:
He'd never made it to the car breathing.

wow that is just sad

I know.I wish I hadn't watched it now.:cuss:

And people complain because cops use force at the drop of a hat...

Ugh that was really sad.

I mean hindsight being 20/20 you wish the officer would have done something different or opened fire when the man appeared to be going back in his truck for something. But I mean what can you do? You don't want to go over the line but at the same time you have to protect yourself. It's got to be a tough job.

Just sad to see that. Really, really was.

I thought cops were trained to shoot to kill?

The description was enough for me, I haven't watched the video.

The question on everyone's mind is, why didn't he shoot him earlier? It's easy for us to ask but being in that moment is an entirely different thing. I imagine it's incredibly hard to to bring yourself to pull the trigger.

Here lies the reason why not everyone can be in law enforcement. In my very first interview before I became a Sheriff, I was asked could I take someone else's life. It was obvious to me that the officer, peace be to his family, was not capable of taking anothers life. Strange behavior by people is normal but, as soon as he returned to his vehicle, I thought he was going to get a gun and I would have taken cover and pulled my weapon. (Don't bother with the argument that I wasn't in his shoes because I have been)

The officer took the step of asking the guy to drop the weapon, I would not have taken the time to ask. As an officer, if you see a weapon, the persons intent is implied and you cease to negotiate, period. To answer your question, we are trained to "stop" the agression. We train to 'shoot' center of mass, (the body, more defined as the chest area) if they stop and are still alive fine, if they die, oh well. He had a gun and the implied intent was to cause me harm or death, it would have been a justified shoot.

That happened to Trooper Brashear in Lee's Summit a few years ago. He pulled over a car on 470 and 281, less than 5 minutes from Troop A Headquarters. The driver shot him 9 times with a 9mm and he lived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kv_uKgGX5k&feature=fvw

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I've been talking to a friend that is in the Marines. I'd heard him say things in the past but never really paid that much attention to them, but the words had to do with shooting a weapon. "Send Death Downrange" is the term.

It has more meaning now than before. I wouldn't want to be in that position, I don't know if I could pull the trigger or not. Props to you for standing in the way of those bullets that might be meant for others.

For the record my friend, though I used your post to reply, I was implying that the deceased officer had no business being a cop. Again, total respect to him and his family but, he did not have that instinct. It was not implied, though quoted, that my response to your response was not a knock on you. Make sense?

Empty it.

Have the other guy die, not you...

Nope.

I wouldn't want to be a cop.

I'm a prison guard, big difference.

I'd rather work at a zoo than try to catch the lion...

In my book, you guys at prison and the county jail have it much harder than I did. Sure, I get to arrest them, get into a fight, shoot some guys but, you guys have to deal with those a-holes 24-7, props to you.

Chicks dig a guy who can intimidate other guys. They also like guys in a uniform and a gun, it was waaaaaay coooool! :D

If you are carrying a weapon you are supposed to only use it for one reason, to shoot to kill. I don't know of anyone that teaches you to wound anyone you are trying to shoot. "Send death downrange."

This is what he means.

But, how do you know if you're capable until you're in that position? I'm sure the officer thought he was capable or he probably wouldn't have taken the job. It's tough to know exactly how you're going to react, until you're in that position.

I nominate that as long as this thread remains an active discussion on our front page that we rename the Lounge to the Kyle Dinkheller Lounge in honor of his service and those who put their lives on the line each and every day.

My thoughts:

#1) The unfortunate police officer was not well trained or did not handle it correctly. he had ample and multiple opportunitys to kill this person.

#2) This video IS something people need to se just for the fact that we need to understand that there are a lot of Nut jobs out there.

#3) Gives you reason to keep yourself armed at all times. You may be in walmart or a restaurant when somebody has had a bad day and loses it and decides he's gonna die and take as many with him as possible. It ain't gonna be me !

It’s easy to say what one would do from the comfort of a chair tapping on a keyboard. Some may even consider themselves proficient from wasting bazillions of hours playing first person shooter games. But when you’ve got an actual living, breathing person in your sites its not nearly as easy as point and click.

Much more at this link.

http://www.historynet.com/men-agains...ietnam-war.htm

This. Plus I'd have shot the guy the second he stopped dancing and ignored me while proceeding to his truck.

Alot has changed since vietnam, tactics and training for the modern rifleman are worlds apart from what they were 30+ years ago.

in the civilian world you have two choices that as humans we cant stray from when confronted w/ fear.
Self preservation in some individuals is stronger than in others.
Natures law.

You have to have the right personality to accurately fire a gun and hit a target in a high stress situation like that. A personality that doesn't succumb to the stress response. Something like 30-40% of people can't even control their hands well enough to dial 911 in a serious emergency. The officer obviously froze up and couldn't control himself well enough to shoot accurately. I think he was trying to shoot the guy, he even fired the first shot. But he froze up and couldn't hit the target. I put considerable blame on him for getting involved in a profession he wasn't suited for, and blame his employers for not effectively screening him out.

Thank God I've never been in the situation and hopefully never will and maybe if I were, my opinion would change...but I honestly believe that I would die myself before I could pull the trigger and kill someone. That sounds sad, but I really think it might be true. Now I don't know now that I have a daughter, I used to know that to be true, but it came to her life or someone else's.....I probably could pull the trigger.

Agreed. In fact a big part of why training has changed is because of the report described at the link I posted.
This is why the military and police have gone to target practicing with human shaped silhouettes. When I went through Basic we qualified shooting at "pop up Ivans", they were shaped and dressed like a Soviet soldier.
Watching shows like Top Snipper on the Military Channel they started putting the faces of known terrorists on their targets. This is all so there is more of a chance that instinct and muscle memory will take over and the soldier will think less about what exactly he's doing to another human being.

That video just really screwed me up.

I just woke about an hr ago. I wasn't ready for that yet.

It's not just pulling the trigger it's maintaining control to fire accuratly like B_Ambuehl pointed out. This officer actually let enough lead fly he should've stopped the psycho but only one shot found it's mark and that wasn't enough to do the job.

Hell the majority of people have never been in a stressful situation so the AD dump is something new.
Its a helluva drug.

Found a little more to the story, so sad...

Deputy Kyle Dinkheller had been with the agency for nearly three years at the time of his death. He was 22 when he was killed. He left a wife and an 18 month-old daughter. The day he was killed, his wife learned she was pregnant with their second child.

Andrew Brannan fled to property he owned in the area. Later he was found rolled in a tarp hidden in some underbrush. His hiding place was given away by the barking of his dog who refused to leave Brannan’s side. Brannan did not resist arrest. He has never shown any remorse. He knew he clearly had the advantage. Brannan is now on death row and is appealing.

Brannan shot Deputy Dinkheller 10 times after he was stopped on Interstate 16 for speeding.

worth a gander.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldzld4myS6w

Edit- Combat vets might not wanna hear some of this...

that's kind of an asinine statement. The vast majority of people, even those trained, would have a hard time hitting a moving target when being fired at. Time and time again you can find stories of police (even multiple officers) shooting at a suspect dozens of times, and sometimes theu don't even hit him. The military is really not much different, but due to the automatic nature of their weapons they have to aim a little less accurately. I read the sotry of Pat Tillman's death a few weeks ago. His fellow soldiers fired hundreds of rounds in his direction, and he was hit less than 10 times, and that was largely due to the nature of the weaponry, with a high fire rate if you hit a target once you are bound to succeed with numerous rounds. furthermore, police officers are not trained to be killing machines. they are trained to handle weapons to suit their needs should they encounter resistance, they are not in a shoot first scenario.

This is what should happen when they don't comply

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