Can't wait to see the opponents stack the box again this year and dare Casshole to beat them with his arm. Even with Charles healthy and Hillis in the mix, I'm not sure how they can get through 9 defensive players at the line. If Casshole can't complete a 10 yard pass again this season, I don't see any different outcome from last year when Casshole played

haha! I always think that it's funny when someone says this. I don't remember, how many guys backed out of the probowl before Cassel was invited. lol

They said this in 2010 and Charles went for 6 yards a carry. You miss a tackle doing that and he's gone.

frickin dumbass .....

Michael Bishop might be available.

At this point, what is Steve DeBerg up to? He threw downfield with an f-ing steel pin sticking out of his pinkie finger, and our current qb couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards out on a perfectly clear day with a tail wind.

Puck Fioli. Seriously.

I think it was either 14 or 15 QBs who backed out, I'm not sure - my memory is a little fuzzy thinking about anything "good" for Casshole.

Cassel is holding the team back. He and Routt will kill them this year. I can see losing Carr IF it helps land Manning, but not for the sole purpose of saving cap room...:shake:

I'm not sure what he was supposed to do.

The narrative never changes.

Forget the fact that Manning had no interest in coming to Kansas City.
Forget the fact that Orton chose to be an overpaid clipboard-holder.
Forget the fact that we were in no real position to trade up for either Luck or Griffin.
Forget the fact that there were no other options.

It's always Pioli's fault.

Yep.

Pay Manning $90M apparently.

I wanted Manning as much as anybody but I heard Jamie Dukes on NFLN this morning say the deal could be worth over $70M in the first 2 years. That's borderline reeruned.

Neither are upgrades.

Holy hell. $70 million in 2 years? Honestly....no thanks. I would have given up 3 1st round draft picks for RGIII instead of paying Manning $70 million in 2 years.

Exactly. He can't pull a "franchise guy" out of his ass. Manning wanted to "be" with Horseface and the 2 top QB's in the draft are unattainable. We are left with stopgaps and lackluster options in the draft.

Orton is a huge upgrade. Not good enough for what we need but significantly better than cassel.

he's not a huge upgrade. He's a marginal upgrade at best.

I would agree if I believed they will spend all that money elsewhere improving the team.

BUILD ROBO QB 2012 HERPTY DERP!!! BUT THEY ARE TO CHEAP TO DO THAT!!! **** THIS TEAM!!!

their silence worked against him. The fans would be fine if they knew the front office tried. It feels like they made a half ass attempt to court peyton and didn't even ask about rgIII.

The chiefs made promises that they'd fix the qb situation. Don't feed us the same corporate speak that Brady Quinn accomplishes that. Don't try to convince us that we should somehow be happy win cassel. Tell us flat out that cassel has to earn a starting job, is under the gun, and that they're still actively looking.

This situation wouldn't be so bad if the front office would treat fans more respectfully.

His struggles in the red zone bear that out.

I didn't hear him, but I read that it was more like $40M in the first two if he clears the March 2013 physical with no damage/issues to the specific areas of the neck where he had surgery.

Either way - it's a SB or Bust move with high risk. If this thing works and they can get to a SB and win in the next 2-3 years, it's worth the investment. Until then... as Elway said in the press conference, this guarantees nothing - just gives them a much better shot and they have more work to do.

I'm a little confused by the salary cap stuff. At first I was hearing that we were way under the cap and had something like $40M in room. Then later I heard that it was only $15M and that the Broncos were way under (as if they follow the rules anyway).

If cap space dictated that we couldn't pay a $90M contract over 5 years, then it is what it is. But that's not what I was reading at first.

The biggest problems to me are:

1. The fact that Manning wouldn't talk to us at all, and why, which is a bigger issue than not signing with us in the end.
2. The fact that we let Orton go when he was a clear upgrade over Cassel.
3. Not drafting a QB twice when we had top-five picks. In hindsight some of the obvious choices were mediocre or busts, so does that mean we have really good talent scouting or does it mean that we didn't want a QB?

Not trading up in the draft doesn't bother me. Those trades are always highly risky.

Pioli is doing a good job in fixing everything else, and he seems to identify the problems well. So is he just not finding the right QB and waiting until the right one comes along, or is he too wedded to Cassel to look? Finding the next Brady could take decades, but I think the team could do quite well with the next Donovan McNabb or Matt Schaub or Matt Hasselbeck while we're waiting for the next Brady.

We might sneak in and win the AFC West this year, then get killed in the first round of the playoffs like two years ago. Cassel has a lot to prove. You know the fans are going to be on his ass big time this year, and deservedly so.

I'm afraid as long as the books stay in the black, the candy wrappers get picked up, and Clark's soccer team keeps winning, he'll be a happy and satisfied little Texan.

I'm in kind of a bad mood this week. Winston was the only really good news. This team still needs a QB and NT. Our new goal should be to draft whoever it takes to kill Peyton Manning on a pass rush.

Though I agree with all your points, Pioli is the one that stuck us with Cassel in the first place. So yes, it is his fault regardless of these facts.

A good majority of us knew Cassel was going to be a turd when he was brought here.

As opposed to the other turds that have been available since he took over. Instead of a brown one, we could have one of those cool green ones I guess.

There really hasn't been much available through free agency or thier draft spots.

I don't care how they treat the fans. It has no bearing on whether the team was improved or not.

I think his boat is tied to Cassel and he wants to keep it from sinking... prior to giving up and going elsewhere. KC has very nice talent, if Cassel sucks in 2012 ... you need to cut bait.

I don't know how you can say you knew he would be a turd when he was brought in. All signs pointed to it being a good signing. He did really well ALL season in NE that year prior, unlike flynn who did good in two games. I agree the price tag seemed a bit high, but it didn't hurt us financially, so **** it.

For me, Pioli made three horrible decisions as soon as he got here. First, he traded for a QB before hiring a head coach. Second, that QB was Cassel. Third, he hired Haley.

He thought Cassel was the right guy for the job. He was wrong.
I don't blame him for thinking he was guy.

His mistake was extending him such a generous contract so soon.
That, he can be (and should be) held accountable for.

The rest of it gets to be flat ridiculous at times.

He is a very big upgrade, which isn't saying as much for Orton as much as it is saying very little about Cassel.

Orton extends drives whereas Cassel kills them. Orton spreads the field and throws to a lot of receivers whereas Cassel checks down every single time or forces the ball into Bowe's hands. Orton did the pre-check reads whereas Cassel got obliterated this year when Miami had the audacity to blitz him because Cassel doesn't know how to pick up the blitz. The only thing Cassel doesn't do is get into the end zone, but that's going to be better with Hillis and Charles getting us into the end zone whereas Battle and Jones were just plain horrendous. I get that Orton only gives us an outside chance, but at least it's a chance. This season is a complete throwaway if Cassel's under the helm.

Orton is better today, he's cheaper tomorrow. There is simply no excuse for the Chiefs not choosing Orton over Cassel. Zero.

No. The problem was that in 3 years, the best he can show for QB competition is a 5th round pick in the 3rd year. In New England, he drafted a QB every single year. He got cocky.

And there is simply no excuse for picking Cassel over Orton. Zero. Don't give me that BS that Orton didn't want to be here. He didn't want to be here because Pioli apparently thought Dallas' contract was too expensive to be backup money. Pioli himself said it was all about money, which is just plain laughable.

I don't see any evidence whatever that Orton is a huge upgrade. Was he better? Yeah, a little. In some ways.

He also has VERY well documented struggles in the red zone.
Are you going to ignore that fact?

Well documented in what ways? When has he ever had a back that was a legitimate red zone threat? The Broncos had a bottom 3 run offense under McDaniels and a horrendous red zone run offense with KC. It's a different game when you have a balanced red zone attack. In the Chiefs' case, it's not even balanced. Teams are going to be gunning for Charles and Hillis, opening up opportunities for the QB to make red zone plays. Jamaal Charles is going to help us get in the red zone on home runs. Peyton Hillis is going to get us the tough yards. And those guys are going to open up a ton of deep field for Orton to get us quite a few long TDs.

No, Orton is not a Peyton Manning QB who can score in the red zone even without good talent. But he will get us to the red zone with much more regularity, and we now have playmakers in place to start making plays when we get there and help Orton out a little bit. We won't be a great red zone team, but that downside is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the downside of Cassel forcing a ton of 3-and-outs and then lucking into Jamaal Charles hitting a 60-yard run to set up a red zone opportunity.

I wouldn't leave out ignoring the KC scouting department and pulling the first draft out of his derriere.

To Painter? You can't be serious. People creamed their shorts over Orton replacing Palko and yet neither him nor Garrard are upgrades over Painter?

Palko was terrible on a grand scale, people would have creamed their shorts to see Bono called up...

i beg to differ.

if Pissoli asked Orton to sign as a backup to Cassel, that was a huge slap in the face and so he signed elsewhere as fast as he could.

I don't really disagree. The problem in defending Pioli in the QB situation is that he brought in Cassel in the first place. It doesn't really matter what the media/fans believed at first, this guy watched Cassel for a long while and made a big mistake. Now he has made a lot of good moves, so its not like I want to kill him because of the initial mistake on Cassel. That being said, he should be on the hook for the Cassel situation, even currently, because he did bring him in.

We also don't know why Manning didn't come. Pioli can say he just didn't want to come, but it could have been the front office for all we know. We don't know for a fact that it was, but we can't completely take Pioli off the hook for this one. That being said, people have basically taken it as fact that he is fully to blame. I think in the end, we were out because, right or wrong, our FO didn't want to pay him that much money.

Orton got paid essentially what our 2nd TE is getting paid. Pioli came out and said that it was basically way too much for Orton. To me it isn't, not if you are willing to give the same contract to Boss. The QB competition is more important. Just makes it seem like he was all too willing to get Orton away from Cassel.

So Pioli's statement "there is competition" at every position and Romeo is the new HC wouldn't give Orton the chance to start?

Don't you agree that his chance to start with KC was much greater than with Dallas? :hmmm:

i've read several different quotes from Scott saying Matt Cassel is our starter plus he brings in these quarterbacks that have worse stats than Matt.

Cassel is Pioli's starter and i hope he sinks with Cassel.

That is not in dispute-Cassel is the starter just like the other 31 teams all name their starter and then someone tries to beat them out of the position, should the starter not be Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, or the like.

I can't believe that Romeo would just stick Cassel in there if Orton blew him away during training camp. Haley pulled that shit with Palko and see where it got him?

Difference is, Boss may go on to be the starter at TE if Moeaki can't go.
And that's a very real possibility.

Orton's gonna hold a clipboard.

Romeo Crennel is Scott's Yessim Master.
Scott says start Cassel and Crennel says Yessim Master.

What's up Riots?

There were other options out there that were better options than Cassel, but we didn't make an attempt for. Cassel was plan A, he didn't try very hard to get to plan B.

I really hope Cousins is off the board before we pick in the 2nd rnd.

Cousins = Cassel 2.0