Oh **** Buffalo fan is going to LOVE this. ROFL

There's also a thread about how they should sign Blaine Gabbert as a back up... LMAO

I'll eat crow on it. I wrote him off to die.

I still wonder if he is a piece of shit for even being in the proximity of it, and if so, how that will mesh with Butker, but I guess we'll see.

I mean, I wouldn't go that far about inconsistency though I agree he was more inconsistent this year. he's still one of the better punters in the league. And i can't help but wonder how much battling injuries all year might have something to do with that. We said the same about butker last season.

I care a lot more about the holding than the punting. And Townsend has finally got it down where araiza was trying to learn it. I dunno... Given the season butker had I don't want to mess with it

DiqLix is down even worse than previously thought possible

82 yard punt in preseason game vs the Colts. Having trouble embedding:

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Oh they MAD MAD STFU

Townsend is going to get a pretty decent payday and Arazia is a better kicker. Dont overthink it.

Agreed. That's where I'm at too. But end of the day if he can play and help, I didn't carme about tyreek because dude could play and I won't care for araiza if he can play. I just don't know if Townsend is as replaceable as we think

Brett Veach has done it again!

LMAO

Bills forum is lit:

No he isn't.

Find me some numbers that support it. He was, at best, an average punter last season. Even stuff like Puntalytics has him barely in the top 20 and that's all they do.

Wanna say you're worried about the holding aspect of it? Aight - worry away, I guess. But as a punter, Townsend was nothing special. He has been a JAG most of his career with one notably good season in 2022.

"Good thing is we don’t make them punt in the playoffs. "

After what Butker did this season, he's gonna want Justin Tucker money, and he damn well deserves it.

Veach will happily extend Butker this off-season so he doesn't see FA after 2024 is over.

He was at a college party and left an hour before the alleged "rape" happened. Prosecutors didn't charge anyone as the defendent lied about her age and seemed to be performing acts in the video willingly.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/bu...ree-agent-news

There was still a civil lawsuit against the men, including Araiza, despite it being shown he wasn't there. He filed a defamation suit against the women. She released him from the civil litigation in December and he dropped his suit in return. She knew he did nothing. It seems he is a good kid by all accounts and got caught up in this because of his notoriety of being the Punt God.
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You've just described CP DC about as accurately as I've ever seen.

Yep, it was all a load of shit. Sound familiar?

He might not even be a good kid. He might be an arrogant douchey college kid.

But honestly, that doesn’t matter. As long as he didn’t break the law, who really cares?

Doesn’t sound like there are any other red flags around him.

That video of her at the party is something else.

What? He's a Punter, and he was very average in 2023. He's very replaceable

Link?

Late 4th quarter of the AFC Championship game next year Buffalo radio:

"Chiefs lead by 2, at their own one with 30 seconds left. Bills are going to get great field position to set up a winning field goal and here's the punt............holy shit.....****......touchback, 8 seconds left on the clock, I want to kill myself"

They better be 200% sure he can hold. Justin Tucker kept his punter around for an eternity because he refused to change holders. Doesn't make me comfortable that he was learning to hold for a very short buffalo training camp.

Also, as of now we know the dude has an unreal leg. Still a lot to prove that he's a better all around punter. Touchback rate isn't great for a league and a team that will need a lot of shorter field punts. I mean I guess it's worth a shot to see how much he can flash in the next few months before you make a decision on Townsend. But I don't think we'll have nearly enough time to know what we have before we make that call on Townsend

Tommy seems to have a big but very inconsistent leg.

Not someone I want to pay. Sometimes he looks incredible, but he’s shanked plenty in his career. Can’t have that inconsistency.

Time to merge this thread with the Kagney Linn Karter thread.

LOLOL I was just over there. Their responses are predictably epic. They hate us so much at this point, it's almost turned to admiration. I love that place!

"I ate somebody's ass before, but that's only because they wanted it."

Sure, Jan.

Butker has one more year left. Everyone okay with paying him big money? Because I sure as hell am

The call has been made on Townsend. He's a pending FA who hired Drew Rosenhause. He's gone.

Now there may still be a call to make between Araiza and some fungible UDFA or SFA competition - sure. And when it gets made, that's fine too.

Because all we've lost is a league average punter with consistency issues who was mis-hitting the shit out of about half his punts in the post-season. Credit to him for getting a tough snap down but there are bad snaps every single week and most holders get them down.

You know what Matt Ariaza will be doing for the 40 hours/wk his teammates are out there in pads? Learning how to hold. WTF else does he have to do?

That's why punters are almost always the holders now. Practice time limitations mean that you need your QB2 out there running scout team against your defense instead of hanging out with the STs bozos.

But your punter? He's just hanging out. So you send him out there with the long-snapper and teach him how to {checks notes} catch a snap.

It'll be fine.

Yes.

Tucker is the highest right now at about 6 mil a year. I’m okay paying Butker 8 mil. Dude missed 2 field goals all year and one was because of a deflated football

Yup don’t want another kicker from a draft like that UCLA Kicker.

Justin Medlock.

Or how about when the Buccaneers drafted Aguayo? Weird that he was so damn bad.

We have the best in the game, possibly ever. He’s worth it hat it takes.

There might be a little bit more money for a potential FA WR as well.

Not a chance, this allows us to resign Jones and Sneed but not really able to add a FA WR and that’s okay.

I don't think you'll need to beat Tucker by that much but hey, if that's what it costs I'd be fine with it.

I've said this before but I've never understood the "Don't pay a kicker" or "Don't draft a kicker" thing. Those guys generate points. They're not punters - they friggen matter out there. And Butker has saved us innumerable times over the last several years. He's completely unflappable and I think if we needed a 65 yarder to win/tie in the post-season over the next 4-6 years, he'd hit it.

That's worth a fair chunk. I'd be just fine adding 5 years to the back of his present deal to take him through his age 34 season. 5/35 with, say, $15 million in guarantees? Yeah - done. I'm in.

Isn't that the same data that had him as the second best punter last season?

He is already making big money by kicker standards. Not like he’s on a rookie deal for peanuts.

Nice. Save a little cash.

I think he gets a Brown Jr kind of reality check. Not sure anyone wants to drop $4 million+ on a punter.

It's all of these "little" moves that opens up options for building incredible depth.

Raiders have already contacted him.

We just got better AND saved money.

Thanks for everything Tommy, good luck in your future endeavors and I hope you get paid.

Improve at the position AND save money? Sounds like a Brandt Valenti move.

Once we correct the receiver room, we will be back to not punting very much anyway. Tommy seemed surprised he actually had to earn those game checks this year lol.

Probably.

And I believe in the bottom 1/3 the year before that. Which is precisely my point. There's never been the sort of AJ Cole level of consistency at the top of the league from him. And punters are a lot like relievers in that the very tip top is usually kinda stable (again, guys like Cole) whereas the rest of it is volatile.

He was below average in 2020 and 2021, slightly above average in 2023 (and 15th by their Punter EPA rating).

3/4 of the seasons he's been in the league, including his most recent one, he's been slightly below average to slightly above average. It's more likely that he's just an average punter than it is he's 'one of the best in the league'.

If Townsend being gone is a foregone conclusion thats fine. I don't have an issue paying butker and Townsend to have the best possible kicking game. I don't think he's nearly as replaceable as we want him to be nor should we minimize the importance of a holder especially when we're bringing in a guy with no experience doing it.

But yeah if it's about money, I get it and we'll make it work. It's intriguing but still risky

A large number of games and especially playoff games tend to be 7 points or less. Great kickers are weapons. Look at the Buffalo playoff game when Bass missed and ended their season. Look at Butker in the SB when he went out and bested Mooney’s SB record kick. Heck KC wins easily if Mooney doesn’t nail not one, but two 50+ yard FGs. Butler has been nails on so many critical FGs over the years that KC would be foolish to not keep him.

Just bought his jersey.

That’s not a surprise. What would be a surprise is them offering him $4+ million a year.

I still think it's kinda funny that if Butker sticks around in KC for as long as Mahomes, it would be Butker that's possibly the NFL all-time leader in playoff games played...

There is video that is supposed to be from the party with her sitting on (I believe) his lap. She's very very drunk and bragging about her "body count", but also hints at having sex starting really young (or something like that), to which the guy she's sitting on says "I'm not trying to hear that!"

By all accounts he was gone by the time the gang bang happened. I think he had had sex with her before that though.

So it seems like he might have had some bad judgement, but not worth getting your career ruined over.

Just when you thought they couldn't hate us any more than they already did. LMAO

If I was a Chiefs fan living in Bills country, I'd dig an underground bunker.

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Good lord Veach is a GM savant! What a genius move.

This playoff stretch we saw some really erratic kicking. Tucker and butker continue to be on mount olympus. Butker should get whatever he asks for.

Tommy, if you don't want your ring, I will take it.

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There are still enough dinosaurs in the league that someone will offer him 3/$12 million.

Love Tommy but we need all the money we can get to re-sign my guy Jones. Great move Veach

Which, in a way, is a good thing.

He's already in the budget at a fairly healthy cap figure. An extension would likely lower that figure a bit this year while also not adding a substantial amount of 'new' money to coming cap sheets.

This isn't like trying to find a way to go from $2 million to $15 million for Bolton. A substantial raise for Butker only adds $3 million to the cap sheet. That should be eminently doable.

Exactly. You only need $2M per year to pay Butker the same as the current “best kicker ever” salary. $2M is chump change. Simply avoid dumb salaries like MVS above $10M per year and you easily afford top dollar for Butker’s new deal.

I just read somewhere else that Tommy had hired megadouche Rosenhaus as his agent, which probably means negotiations with him wouldn't have ended well anyway.

NEXT WE SIGN BUFFALO'S FIELD GOAL KICKER

Oh, wait......ROFL

Ironically, every other sentence I read is "that narrative here" or "going against the narrative" ....his narrative is 75% making up other people's narratives.

Ever notice that Tommy finds his way into almost every shot?

Trophy presentation, Reid saying How Bout Those Chiefs in the locker room, anything Chiefs biggest moment related and there's Tommy

Its kind of funny for a punter

Tommy is looking to cash in, and who can blame him? No hard feelings. Win-win situation.

Two rings. Go get that back Tommy.

Make sure you choke a kick or two against us, though.

And Rosenhaus is the right guy for that.

I don't love seeing him representing any of our key guys, but he's a pro. He knows how to get things done. He knows how far he can push things. He knows when it's time to pull the chute and get the best possible deal for his client instead of ride the train into a mountain.

If there's a good deal for Tommy out there, Rosenhaus will get it for him.

If I were a Free Agent or even someone entering my FA year, he'd probably be the guy I hired. He might be a douche and embody everything we hate about 'sleazy agents', but he's really damn good at his job.

Go get it, Tommy. I'm just happy it won't be with us.

Do you remember the 90's?

Yep. I'm fine with it. Happy trails, Tommy. Veach will send you your ring via UPS.

So Tommy Gone

Could it be related to an increase in the long range field goal percentage success so that around halfway teams are now more likely to trust their kicker than turn to the punter meaning less shorter range punts requiring precision to try and in in the 5 and more of the punts just being rip the leg through and hammer it.

Has that miserable **** Chad Forbes cried about this yet like he cried about us signing Omenihu?

At least Tommy will make more money total, but he will be punting alot more to earn it on some shit team


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God I hope so.

Few things are as gratifying as pissy Chad Forbes.

What an absolute ****.

100%. You don't bring Matt Araiza in unless you're planning on starting him next season. However misguided and wrong the PR hit will be, it's inevitable that there will be some. See Tyreek Hill.

Maybe Townsend partied too hard for Butker's liking.

We've lucked out on punters with the last two. Colquitt will be in the Chiefs ROH and Townsend was pretty good as well.

Let's hope there won't be much punting though next season.

There won't be a PR hit. We good.

I'm probably asking a dumb question, but, if the Bills released him before the 2022 season, is the lawsuit the reason no one picked him up? Did the lawsuit just recently go away?