And I agree with Detoxing.

My wife has been a daily consumer for 2 years. Her tolerance/threshold is still pretty low despite that.

Even though your daughter has been a heavy user for 2 years, she's still pretty new to it to be honest.

I care more about flavor than anything else. Indica, sativa I really don't give a damn. I have strains I like of both.

Flavor?

If you don't mind me asking, why do you smoke? Because there's so much variation between strains that you'll almost get a different effect every time.

Yes, flavor is my first concern. I don't waste my time on shitty tasting pot.

I smoke for the same reasons as everyone else. Therapeutic and socializing reasons.

I've just never really heard somebody that uses weed for physical or emotional therapy not caring about what strain they smoke. My wife has ONE strain that works best for her pain. She's tried about 50.

And as I said earlier, as a recreational user, I never smoke indica. I don't want the drowsiness, the munchies, and all the other stuff that comes with it.

Nevertheless, thanks for responding. It's always interesting to hear unique tastes.

I like Jack Herer. I also like the hybrid Lemon Jack.

If i had to pick a preference it'd be sativa for sure. But even Sativas could be hit or miss for me. That energy feeling that people often describe when discussing Sativas....sometimes i don't notice it at all, other times im buzzing around like, "wtf, where'd this energy come from? Oh yeah, i was smoking Sativa".

I really don't go out of my way for either.

I look at the fluffyness of the nug, the color, the THC crystals, the THC % and the smell.

There's really only ONE family that i'll go out of my way for. And that's anything in the Tangie family.

Because that's the only family that i can actually tell a difference in taste. Like a legit, real difference. Not, "eh i think it's different", but damn, this really does has a citrus flavor.

Yeah, there's definitely some tasty strains out there. I'm one of those that think pot smells (and tastes) wonderful. My wife equates it with skunk spray. ROFL

I've had some tangies that literally smell like grapefruit. Aside from that family, everything else is more or less the same to me.

I'm surprised Iowa hasn't I thought you guys were the more "progressive" state in the midwest since you passed gay marriage years ago. Nebraska/Kansas are the most stonraged states I think CBD wasn't even legal for the longest time in Nebraska

I literally never feel the difference in effects between Sativa and Indica. Half the time I can’t even tell if I’m high or not off flower. I still smoke it obviously. Now when my gummy kicks in at night, mixed with the alcohol I drink, I definitely feel that.

On a side note, we went to Jamaica in July. Took a tour, and the driver took us to the top of the mountain. Was an absolutely beautiful view. There was a Rasta up there. He had a bottle that was filled with buds, and it was filled with Overproof rum. I was only drinking Red Stripe and Magnum while we were out that day. I bought a shot of that for $10 (I would have paid $50 lol), and man that shot had me ****ing hammered for a good part of the day. Even my wife was saying damn, how’d you get so ****ed up? She said I was talking to Jah all day, lmao. That was some ****ing POTENT shit! And I’d never even thought about being able to consume it like that before.

Those old school blueberry strains had Avery very nice distinct flavor.

Sounds a lot like the way people extract THC for oils like RSO. They soak buds in everclear (or the most potent alcohol available) which pulls the the THC off the buds (if you're going to try this at home make sure you decarb first). They use a warmer to evaporate the alcohol off it & leave pure THC. Sounds like he was skipping the last step of burning off the alcohol leaving a potent mixture of alcohol & THC.

I also can't really tell a difference in strains outside taste. I don't even notice a big difference based on the THC percentage either. They all seem to have the same effect, or at least as far as I can tell.

Just checked The Attitude for the Lemon Jack. Out of stock. They want $19 for 1 seed. I trust it would be worth it.

Bought Gorilla Glue, Laughing Buddha, Sour Diesel and Lemon Haze/CBD. Freebies: Sweet Zombie and Raw Diesel. Total bill with shipping under $50.

I flood my body with enough cannabinoids that that one specific strain isn't really going to make a difference. Indica or Sativa.

Ever heard of a fellow named Robert C. Clarke? He wrote a book about marijuana botany many many years ago. Considered one of the most respected people in cannabis. Well, anyway... he would call bullshit on all your Indica/Sativa nonsense. And counter your argument that all cannabis is Cannabis Sativa and that Indica is nothing but wide leafed phenotype of Cannabis Sativa, which is considered more often than not a narrow leaf variety.

I would take his opinion on cannabis any day and every day on Sunday over 99.9% of people. Including you. Please don't take offense to the way I say that. It's just the honest truth.

50 strains is nothing. There could be 100 or more different phenotypes of one genotype within F1 seeds. There are thousands upon thousands of different strains, with each one with ungodly amount of phenotypes out there. You and your wife can limit yourself the way you see fit, but you are missing out on so many different cannabinoid/terpene/flavonoid profiles that you might be missing out on that next ONE strain.

Why Attitude? If you don't mind me asking.

RSO typically uses Isopropyl Alcohol. Boiled down in a crock pot.

QWISO the same. Not boiled down in a crock pot.

Beauty supply stores have gallons of 99% Isopropyl Alcohol.

Don't do either though. Ice and water make better hash. And won't get flammable fumes wherever you are.

Sounds a lot like the way people extract THC for oils like RSO. They soak buds in everclear (or the most potent alcohol available) which pulls the the THC off the buds (if you're going to try this at home make sure you decarb first). They use a warmer to evaporate the alcohol off it & leave pure THC. Sounds like he was skipping the last step of burning off the alcohol leaving a potent mixture of alcohol & THC.

That's called a FECO, Full Spectrum Cannabis Oil. It's kind of a hassle to evaporate, so I just use the tincture in a mixed drink. If you do a Golden Dragon, taste isn't that heavy. Green Dragon, that's another story.

Here's my go to site for recipes:

https://emilykylenutrition.com/recipes/

Lots of good info and haven't had a bad recipe yet.

What I totally miss and haven’t seen in forever is good skunk buds, and the old Northern Lights that was the Christmas tree buds that were straight pine smelling/taste. Everything is earthy or fruity smelling now.

Skunk has been somewhat bred out of the homogenized cannabis we have today.

Sorry to say we may have lost it until we get real GMO cannabis(not the strain) from a company like Monsanto.

What?? Really? **** man, that sucks!

No doubt on the fruity. I've got peach, banana, mango, berry and lemon varieties.

Already sent in my order, but I could have been tempted:

https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.u...ghts/prod_3464

That's over $25 a seed.

Actually, this is the $25 seed.

https://www.cannabis-seeds-bank.co.u...ghts/prod_3809

Yep, some breeders have been looking for a true to god skunk strain for years.

It might be some old hippie out there that has it and ain't sharing. But I doubt it.

When cannabis started being cultivated indoors people quickly looked for less stinky strains to arouse less suspicion. Drug war has been great hasn't it?

Damn, I must be stoned. That's for 3 seeds. Never mind.

Why not use US based seedbanks like seedsherenow or jbcseeds? Why are you going through the hassle of having the package go through customs?

Honestly, weed names are meaningless nowadays. I swear, these manufactures aren't packaging the shit they say it is.

Rare do you ever see any of the OG strains anymore. Everything is some random ass name that you've never heard of, or some variant of.

I once decided that "Forbidden Fruit" was going to be go-to. Then quickly realized that "Forbidden Fruit" can vary wildly from one brand/despo to another. The name was meaningless.

How much is a half oz out in Cali?

Depends on what you're buying. A budget despo half ounce will be somewhere between $70-$100

Last week I bought a $50 1/8th. Normally i would never do that. But i guess i got a wild hair up my ass and decided to try one.

I was quickly reminded that it ain't worth it. I've had $35 1/8ths that were better. Rarely does it ever pay off.

Shit, i got a killer deal the other day. 3x 1/8ths (10.5grams) for $38. Some mid grade stuff that normally sells for about $35 an eighth.

Damn that’s sweet. My closest dispo had 1/4s on sale for 40 each, but I had points and got them much cheaper. Was nice. That dispo has $20 8ths all day but obviously other more expensive options too. But sometimes I go in and they have certain 8s on sale for $10. It’s crazy how much prices have come down since it first became available.

Only time I usually buy the more expensive stuff is if I have points to get a discount. We still don’t have moonrocks here. It’s so dumb.

I can't remember the last time i've seen legit moonrocks out here. It's been years. Last time i had moonrocks they came from a sketchy, illegal trap house. Fire ass moonrocks though....

Seems like they're not really a thing in the legal industry, idk.

Are the mg and strains at dispos pretty accurate? I'd think legally they have to be right?

Never felt the need to weigh any myself, but yes, legally they're suppose to be. As far as the names? Who knows.

Still working on WELL over half of the Lemon Triangle Kush shake I grabbed at least a month and a half ago

Don't partake anywhere close like I used to, and its soooooo high quality that the $100 I spent on 14 grams of it can be pinch hit for up to four months

Oh really? My buddy went there a few years ago. He said that he bought some at a dispo, and they had multiple flavors. I always wanted to try the moonrocks ice I’ve seen online, but obviously can’t get that shit here. My buddy used to make moonrocks, but he moved to Tennessee.

For example, the other day i got an 1/8th of "Garlic Starship".

WTF is Garlic Starship?

I've heard of Garlic Breath. That's been around forever. Garlic Starship? Dafuq. Whatever. It looked good so i got it. The names mean so little these days. And there's so goddamn many of them.

Holy shit! You can buy 1/4s of shake here for $25. I’ve never seen them cost more. I buy them when I’m going to roll a bunch of blunts for an event or something. But the strain you mentioned I’ve never seen here yet.

I’d love to have the job of naming strains, just get high and say a few random words, and POOF. New strain name!

Full blown THC makes me paranoid and edgy. I'm satisfied with the Delta 8 gummies these days

Moonrock Ice....i've had it. It's amazing. Homie had some. Brought it over for a session. It was Dr. Zodiak's Moonrock Ice.

But yeah, years ago i could find it at trap houses. Back then trap houses were everywhere and often confused with real, legal dispos. Now when i go to the dispo i cant find it anywhere.

They have infused blunts that they call "Moonrock" but that shit aint moonrock.

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For all you "Flavor" guys, you gotta smoke Jeeters. Anyone here smoke a Jeeter before?

You wanna talk about the most flavor packed joint you'll ever smoke in your goddamn life, it's a Jeeter. I made posts about them here awhile back i'll have to dig em up.

I went through a Jeeter phase too.

Another excellent one in terms of flavor are the Cavicones.

They make one called the Cavicone Ice.....oh so so tasty.

https://weedmaps.com/brands/caviar-g...nfused-preroll

We go to Jamaica once a year. I can use my mmj card there to go to their dispo’s. They have moonrocks blunts but I haven’t bought them. But in Jamaica shrooms have never been illegal. You can buy them in all kinds of different forms there. Gonna buy some of the mushroom honey they have next year, and mix it in my morning coffee at the resort!! I always buy too much bud there. It always goes to the pool guys when I’m leaving.

Yo…. Please explain these Jeeters!!

Jack Herer is one of my favorite strains ever.

Boom:

https://www.jeeter.com/product-categories/infused

Take a gander. And yes, they actually taste just like what they say they're suppose to taste like.

And yes, i've had every single flavor lol.

Personal favorites would be Peach Ringz, Honey Dew and Horchata. Wife is a big fan of Bubba Gum and Peach Ringz.

They're sold in either a jar of 5x .5gram Joints, or a single 1 gram joint, or the "XL", a glass tipped 2G joint.

If you haven't tried these, and you come across them, buy them. You can thank me later.

By far, by FAAAR the most flavor packed smoke you'll ever have.

The pinch hitter is really a beautiful thing. I used to be a bong/pipe guy, but now that I'm older and don't smoke anywhere near what I used to, the pinch hitter is perfect. I can just take a couple nice puffs and get the buzz I want.

This local dispensary has 10 different brands for every strain, LTK is just the last thing I bought

My best bud who just moved back here after 24 years in LA was blown away by the quality of this legal Illinois smoke... so good that its still worth every greedy, overpriced tax dollar

I pay like 600-800/lb for mids though, so I'm talking in the $40/60 an oz range.

I can't afford weed at the dispensaries, even when they do have deals, but I do like to get those Seltzers from time to time

Anything but a few pinchers is wasteful showing off in most cases, though I do keep a small ice water bong around for special occasions

I want a Jeeter.

You're kidding me.

I honestly can't even get high using a one-hitter.

"Wasteful showing off"??

It's not.

I have an extreme anxiety disorder, and it probably takes me at least 4x as much as other people to feel "normal" sometimes, and then maybe twice that to even feel "stoned".

It's no bullshit. Come hang out with me sometime. You'll be laying comatose on the floor and I'll still be talking a mile a minute. My old roommate in college called me 'the productive pothead'.

And then, there are days like yesterday, where I was so ****ing busy all day that I only did occasional bong rips and hit my vape pen and mini-unicorn while out and about and wasn't able to roll a good 2 gram doobie to unwind with until around 9pm.

So, each individual is different, how they process cannabis is different, their tolerance is different, etc.

I am glad that you found the right dosages for you though.

Just saw that legalized weed was passed yesterday in Missouri …… sayyyyy ****in whattt

How old are you again?

Your usage will decline with age, trust me

Are you sure about that?

I'd hope they taste well with the added terps. Any caviar cones are always harsh and beat the hell out of my lungs more than I would like. Are they harsh with the caviar?

I prefer just to take a couple dabs of ice water hash and put it inside a joint. Slows down the joint for a nice slow burn. Kief or oil on the outside of a joint is purely a waste IMO.

If it says it has so many mg of THC, that is more than like true, but...

There is a lot more going on than just THC or the three of four things they list on the labels.

It has gotten better, but even if you buy the exact same "strain" six months later the product isn't identical.

It isn't like alcohol where there is only one active ingredient. There are a lot of different cannabinoids (like hundreds and hundreds) and shit going on (and no I don't claim to be an expert on it).

And I don't think they are able to harvest seeds and grow the exact same product over again. It might be "close", and I believe it is better than it was five or ten years ago, but it isn't the exact same plant every single time or something is different. Or that's my experience and understanding. Those that actually grow no doubt know more about it.

As you might tell from this thread, some people don't seem to notice much difference.

I do.

I used to be a relatively heavy smoker in my twenties, quit completely by my forties, and I'm now a light recreational smoker. Basically, smoking works way better for me than alcohol because I started having migraines in my mid-40's and alcohol was, unfortunately, a very reliable trigger.

I know some people smoke to treat migraines, but I don't really find it provides much relief. Sumatriptan works a lot better.

But the effect I get from smoking varies. I mean if I buy an half an ounce, I get the same effect from that entire batch, but if I try to buy the same product, or something similar if they are out of whatever I bought before, it can vary. The good news is being a light recreational smoker, my tolerance is low and if I find something I like, it lasts quit a fair while.

I only go with the Sativa. Some products leave me feeling paranoid. Other batches are fantastic. I don't understand it. But it isn't like sometimes when I smoke, I get paranoid and sometimes I don't. It's every time I smoke that product. I'm sure I could pass a blind smoke test.

If I get one that makes me paranoid, I just give it away to a buddy.

And beyond the paranoia, how upbeat/energetic it leaves me feeling again varies from one batch to the next even when sticking with supposedly similar type of Sativa strains.

Several posters have mentioned the Sour Diesel and that is one I have at the moment that is working very well.

The same sex marriage thing happened while one party was in control. The other party is in control now and they're talking about some pretty draconian "moral" legislation. That's all I'm gonna say because I'm not trying to be political.

We do have medical here but there's only 1 dispensary approved for sale. It's basically a state-run monopoly.

Do producers really grow from seed? That's like the ancient method. It's so easy to clone plants nowadays.

Sounds like it affects you similar to the way it affects me.

Yooo, no idea you were down with a bleezy Easy.

Commercial grows are clones.

Many home grows are autos so from seed. Autos cannot be cloned from my understanding.

I don't give out my exact age to the public, but I am 'extremely late 30s'...

And now that the rec has passed, I'll sell you an entire ounce of weed at least that good if not better for $100.

All day. Every day.

Just got this New School Fusion, Triple C Genetics phenotype from seeds supplied by Hypogrow1

Yeah, clones gotta come from somewhere, lol

You start, say, 5 or 6 seeds of a certain phenotype, and keep the 2 or 3 strongest, heartiest, best looking to clone when they're at the veg stage and those plants are the 'mothers' that the clones are cut from

I haven't grown since the late 90's but I started two with seeds and then cloned from there. Worked really well.

Holla if you SMELL me!!

Of course. It's not only easy, it's how you ensure consistency of the strain going forward.

I can't imagine anybody grows from seeds, other than for starters.

Only for pheno hunting. Once a pheno is selected, if at all, then cloning
can happen But it always starts with a seed. Sure there are clones bought/sold/shared amongst those growing commercially. But then you have things that can one clones final product in one facility may not seem like the same product from another. Grower, environment, genetic drift, etc. can all play a part in it.

Commercial growers never stop searching for that next strain to market. Doesn't matter if it comes from an existing clone or seed.

Commercially you would like to start at least 100. Not saying you can't do it, but a 5 pack of F1 seeds you might not get exactly the best choices of phenos.

See to me, that's R&D. Whereas commercial production would be mostly, if not all, cloning.

A 5 packs of seeds might not even produce a viable plant. I once planted 4 seeds and all 4 of them ended up being "males".

Clones can genetically drift and get tired and putter out.

That can happen.

Males are important though. Find a breeding male and you can make millions.

That is true. There's definitely a slow degradation of genetics the more you clone something. It's like taking a Xerox copy and putting on the copy machine. The more you do it, the lighter the ink becomes until you can no longer read it and the source material is gone.

Again, true. Doesn't do much for a guy growing 4 plants in his closet though. ROFL

You thinking of a facilities that like to turn and burn. They won't last in the long term when the hammer comes down.

I'm thinking of facilities that are thinking long term. Those that realize that eventually IP rights are coming down on cannabis strains at some point and don't want to be holding someone else's bag with a future residual payment attached to it from past years worth of profits.

Pfft easily solved. Get another closet.

For sure. I wasn't talking about cloning someone else's plants. I was talking about controlled growing of seedlings specifically for the purpose of cloning. Which you can't do forever, as you previously said.

So good growers are going to be constantly doing both - R&D and production.

You can herm a female to create pollen for seeds.

Yes you can. A mixture of silver thiosulfate and silver nitrate will do it.

or you can just grow and stress it long enough for it to throw male stamens

This thread has ended up being pretty educational. I love this place.