**** him

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He only has 34 PA's this year. The O's know his value comes as a pinch hitter and have almost exclusively kept him in that role.

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If he's the guy who got the boot for Drew Waters I wouldn't be entirely surprised. I know he was a fan favorite at one time but his offense isn't really great right now and his defense is just butcher level. He had a crucial play in LF today that wasn't easy, but a good LF probably would have made it. And that's on top of not looking focused at the plate and hitting about .100 this month.

At the risk of sounding like Dayton Moore, I'm not entirely convinced you wouldn't have a better team if you eventually just ran Bradley, Waters and Isbel out there in the OF and had a great defense to help the pitchers at least. It's not like we're scoring runs anyway. At least they'd be elite at something. But you don't even really have to do that because Pratto and Melendez can mix in LF/RF every day.

Olivares is 27. He is no longer a prospect and has a 10 cent head. I would be fine with cutting bait. He was worth the risk to trade for but I think his time should be done.

Oliveras bat doesn't make up for his glove and he's in reality a platoon guy, he kills left handed pitching so he has a very specific role.

But when you mix him on a roster thar has Dozier and Bradley that's just a losing formula.

I was a big advocate for the dude getting a shot in 2021, but he has had some of the worst, game swinging miscues in the field and at the plate this year. To echo what TK posted, I don't see a real place for him once Waters returns at this rate.

He's basically a 5th OFer that should only play versus lefties, he's showing he's not an everyday player.

Whoa Whoa Whoa now, in 16 years they had 2 winning seasons...

The religious stuff will always be joked about because he brought that upon himself. Sending the team to an anti-porn seminar in spring training. The comment about building better fathers and sons than baseball players..the inside reports that the Royals would move guys up and down on their draft boards due to religious faith. You bring jokes and skepticism to yourself when you engage in those things.

But to be honest at the end of the day, I could give a shit about his faith or religion. He completely lost ability to build a competent baseball team. After 2015 he couldn't make a trade or FA signing to save his life and he hadn't drafted well since years before that.

The man was unable to pivot in an ever changing landscape of baseball.

Where did you read that?

You should ask Duncan about it, he had sources in the organization that told him those things mattered to their draft boards.

Like I won't argue that Gavin Cross was going in round 1 whether the Royals took him or not....but it isn't some wild coincidence that Moore drafted a guy who he knew his dad, the dad ran a religious based traveling baseball team etc etc.

I'm gonna go ahead and just believe that it's true. I have faith that the information Duncan provided is accurate.

Dayton would often say in interviews how the quality of the person is just as if not more important than the skill as a player.

Which when your job is to evaluate baseball talent is a ridiculous thing to say.

That's always been the problem. I at least hope no one cares that Moore was heavily religious, but it should've had absolutely no bearing on how he constructed a baseball team, which from multiple angles seems to have not been the case.

Why would anyone care if someone else is or is not religious? People spend way too much time worrying about things that have no impact on their own lives.

That wasn’t the claim I asked about

It is related. If he makes those statements on a radio interview then it is 100% believable they drafted using the same standards.

I cannot remember one interview that Moore did not spend more time talking about the quality of the human vs the player.

Sure he did the janitor?

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He had sources that Tyreek did it, no if and or buts about it also.

Quit believing what any Tom Dick or Harry tells you on CP or any social media.

Duncan is like the best source for Royals shit that exists here so kindly **** off.

Maybe but he lied his ass off in the Tyreek thread. I don't believe him so **** you too!

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Oh shit they finally gave up on Dozier, stunning.

Now the real question, what player on the team is going to want to take over Gordon's jinxed locker?

Dozier didn't even make it to Memorial Day. They made the right move with Dozier. Gave him one last shot to produce and he didn't.

Olivares will be next once Waters is ready.

Look at this lying old spiteful little bitch. He didn't lie in the Tyreek thread. Just had wrong info. Even the top guys on TV get wrong info from time to time. You're just a crotchety old bitch.

Can they give up on Bradley first?

Didnt Skunkhead give him a 4 year deal? LOL

Prayed on it and decided it was the right thing to do I’m sure

Discovered he didnt watch porn and was unvaxxed

Given all the stupid shit that this Franchise has done over the last ~30 years, it still amazes me that we figured out a way to go to back-to-back WS and win a WS less than 10 years ago. Crazy...

Giving Dozier a four year deal at the time (ages 29-32 seasons) was hardly a crazy move. I’d have done that for sure. Sometimes things just don’t work out.

Spreading false information that you can't verify is true is Lying dumbass. Hold your fat mouth if you don't have the facts.

Also, **** off hillbilly. Put me on ignore if you don't like it!

Bradley at least is elite defensively.

He has one of the 4 lowest WAR scores in the entire league sine 2019. Ironically Dozier is also on that list.

That's the type of move I'm not sure Dayton would have made. We operating differently a little bit, but it'll take a bit to see if that kind of thing makes a difference.

I said it above but I'd keep Bradley over Olivares. This pitching staff needs all the help it can get. Ideally you'd have a mix of Pratto, Melendez, Waters, Isbel and Bradley in the OF.

Lineup is a little different tonight
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If you are content on playing Pratto and Melendez a bunch in the OF you probably don't need Bradley or Oliveras....Waters comes back and Isbel is essentially your 4th OF.

A catcher and a 1B in the outfield. This team needs to go ahead and make some trades to rebalance the roster.

Melendez may not be a long term catcher...he also runs well so that's a non issue.

Anyhow Tyler Gentry and Samad Taylor along with Nick Loftin are all close to the majors so no worries, it's not like Bradley, Oliveras or Lopez are keepers.

The best part of that is Witt is not leading off...dude is not a leadoff hitter.

Yep won't have to worry as much with Pratto or Vinnie getting gunned trying to steal 2nd before a Salvy dong

Wow. Pratto actually doing well enough to leadoff

.420 OBP so far

Haven't actually watched a game in quite a while. Nice to see at least one of the other pieces is doing relatively well.

Hopefully Nate Eaton is already back in the minors,that guy is just not an MLB caliber player. I don't know what happened,he wasnt quite as terrible last season.

God all of those young pitchers really are busts huh? Singer gave us some false hope but he sucks also.

Back to back bombs

Pratto base hit in his new leadoff role. Followed by a Vin Dong

Salvy Dong and the game is back even again

This game got fun again real quick like! Bats gonna have to keep it up. BP Brady gonna give up 7 or 8 tonight probabaly.

Jackie Dong

I wonder how many parks that gets out of. Pratto is on one.

EDIT: Out in 17 ballparks. Caught at the track at the K.

I wonder when they build Sherman's Palace in downtown I would assume it would be more of a band box than Kauffman.

Bob Witt Jr with a stellar .670 OPS. Bubba Starling kinda reminds of a poor mans Bobby Witt Jr.

I'm worried that's the case and I hope not. The ball carries well in the KC heat. For a team that's been horrible at developing pitchers for decades the last thing we need is to add another hurdle. Good way to end up like the Reds or Orioles who never really developed pitching.

Another warning track power shot

Lange is disgusting. He might be the Tigers' dude.

10 walks tonight by Royals pitching. That's worked out about as well as you'd expect.

We're not going to talk about how desperate it was to trot Barlow out for like 40 pitches?

Barlow hadn't pitched since Wednesday

An opposition announcer fired again in KC? Crazy ROFL

It’s amazing to see how much you relish in Witt Jr. struggling and openly wanting to see him fail, just so you can prop up Vinny (who most of us also love).

Neither BWJ or Vinny have yet to even play a full seasons worth of MLB yet? Can we just give them BOTH some time to see what they can become?

You realize Vinnie is already 25 and does seem to have an advanced hitting approach, partly due to age, and BWJ is still just 22 and came straight out of high school to play pro ball?

Let’s give it a little time before you continue to suck your own dick in this thread over BWJ’s struggles.

Fair enough?

No, we can mock Booby all we want. He had a full season last year, 632 PA. This year age 23, he’s wRC+ of 76. Identical to pipsqueak Lil Nicky. His performance at the plate is a joke this year and it’s ok to point it out

I was wrong. lil Nicky is at 88

Booby is 76

And Debbie Downer joins the convo . . . . . .

Look, pointing out a players struggles is fair game (you can point almost to the entire team with this), but to openly root for another players failure (which BW has done for a long time in this thread) because of some illicit love affair with Vinnie is pathetic and not something a Royals fan should be doing. Shouldn’t we want the team (and particularly it’s best young players) to succeed?

I’d have more respect if he just came out and said ‘I love Vinnie, and **** the Royals’

At least then the continual passive aggressive posting makes sense . . . . . .

Tell you what, since ‘numbers’ is your thing, why don’t you go look up some of the All Time greats (HOFer’s), not cherry picked, just a random sample of 10 or so, and tell me what their numbers were after 623 PA’s in the Bigs? Focus on guys that were 23 or younger when they started their big league careers.

So who is pitching today?

Don't let Pratto's surface stats fool you - he is still bad and should not be leading off.

He's getting insanely lucky, with that .409 OBP driven by a wildly inflated .490 BABIP.

His batting average is .321 but his xBA is .256. His SLG is .469 but his xSLG is .397. His average launch angle is right-at-the-ground (6.3 degrees) and his barrel rate is only 7.8%. He is striking out 32.3% of the time.

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To be honest with you, the vast majority of guys with advanced plate approaches always had them. There are scouts that believe you can't just teach someone to draw walks and be selective you either have it or you don't.

The Royals have for the most part never valued that trait which is why we tend to not see a whole lot of it here.

Ok but is it cherry picking to look at the top 2 prospects heading into last year and a duo who was drafted 1-2 also? Rutschman is tearing it up at the plate and did it the moment he walked into the league. He was 24 and BOOBY is 22 so there’s a slight age diff but you can’t say our guy hasn’t been a total zero at the plate thus far

One guy was 24 when he came in and now is 25 and succeeding at the plate. One guy was 21 when he started out and is now 22. One guy played 3 years of college ball at an elite college baseball program. One guy came up straight through minors out of high school ball.

You really think that’s the same situation??

Yes, one guy has a more advanced hitting approach than the other and has had success in MLB early because of it. Wonder why that is?

It’s almost like I’m making the Vinnie argument all over again.

Were people expecting Ken Griffey Jr. when Bobby came up? Good lord, give the kid some time to see what he becomes. If we wrote off all MLB stars after 700+ PA’s, we’d be missing out on a lot of really great players.

Not saying BWJ is going to become a superstar, but let’s at least give him a fair shake before we write him off. Some guys take a little bit (even Top prospects) to figure things out in MLB.

Vinnie likely had a more advanced hitting approach at 19 than BWJ does today, Carter Jenson has a more advanced hitting approach in the minors than BWJ ever has, there's a reason scouts think you either have it or you don't.

I think we're still waiting on Bubba starling

Those same scouts thought BWJ worthy of the #1 or #2 pick in the draft, while Vinnie was taken as an 11th round flyer.

Look, im not knocking Vinnie. I love Vinnie.

But I think it’s pretty clear scouts thought BWJ could exceed in a BIG way in his hitting approach with a little time. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been a discussion about who should be the #1 pick (Adley or BWJ).

Edit: And if ‘scouts’ really thought BWJ never ‘had it’ or never would, he wouldn’t have been drafted where he was. That’s the kind of thing that gets you fired. And ANY team not named the Orioles (even though supposedly they were weighing it at the time) would have selected BWJ at #2 if they’d had that pick. It wasn’t like this was a Royals ‘blind spot’ thing and they keyed in on one guy and reached. Everyone agreed he was a consensus Top pick.

Because of athletic traits, guys who they think can play SS at the big league level with pop in the bat always go high.

When a scout has a guy graded as this guy can play big league SS and go 30/30 that's a top 5 pick. A guy who isn't as athletic that is position limited to 1st base but shows a good stick and a great plate approach isn't as valued.

Valuing athletes has ALWAYS gotten the Royals into trouble because you can be the greatest athlete that ever lived, doesn't mean you can hit.