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warpaint* 04-21-2025 05:21 PM
Drafting an OT would allow us to get off the turd at RT after next season &/or provide insurance in case Moore doesn’t pan out.

But really I’m for BPA.

-King- 04-21-2025 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18036625)
Did you just read somebody's guess of what the Chiefs might do then assume that it's the Chiefs strategy?

How exactly is anything the Chiefs have done so far with the OL "disorganized"?

Also, the Chiefs currently don't have a long term answer at either OT spot. Why would getting ahead of that be "throwing shit against the wall"?
4 years after we "fixed" the O-line we have the highest paid guard/center combo in the league. Have the 4th highest paid RT in the league that we're eagerly waiting to get rid of. We're already planning contingencies for the guy we JUST signed that supposedly had potential to be our long term LT. And Kingsley is going to compete with Mike Caliendo for the LG spot.

Are we going to pretend that it's a stable position to be in?

-King- 04-21-2025 05:26 PM
The LT position the past year is kind of funny

We drafted a player that sucked so bad we had to replace him with his backup. The backup got injured and sucked so we replaced him with a street FA. The street FA got injured and sucked so bad we had to replace him with our LG. And our LG while playing admirably for being out of position was so bad we signed a free agent LT for 2 years 30mil. And now people are making plans for if he also sucks.

TwistedChief 04-21-2025 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18036625)
Did you just read somebody's guess of what the Chiefs might do then assume that it's the Chiefs strategy?

How exactly is anything the Chiefs have done so far with the OL "disorganized"?

Also, the Chiefs currently don't have a long term answer at either OT spot. Why would getting ahead of that be "throwing shit against the wall"?
One can’t judge the plan in April before the draft. And even with the draft, sometimes the board falls to you and sometimes it doesn’t. Doesn’t imply anything is or was “disorganized.”

It’s not like the Chiefs operate in a simple one-dimensional world. It’s all based on the probabilities around the success of potential outcomes. That’s just the reality of building a team.

Some of Veach and Reid’s swings have hit and some have missed, but they are hardly “disorganized” in the way they’ve done anything. There’s a pretty logical course of thought behind everything and it’s rare they make some move like the the more mediocre teams and you’re left scratching your head as to why.

TwistedChief 04-21-2025 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 18036652)
The LT position the past year is kind of funny

We drafted a player that sucked so bad we had to replace him with his backup. The backup got injured and sucked so we replaced him with a street FA. The street FA got injured and sucked so bad we had to replace him with our LG. And our LG while playing admirably for being out of position was so bad we signed a free agent LT for 2 years 30mil. And now people are making plans for if he also sucks.
They were wrong on Kingsley’s ability to play LT. Sometimes that just happens and you only wind up in the SB rather than winning the SB.

Kinda funny indeed.

Chris Meck 04-21-2025 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 18036652)
The LT position the past year is kind of funny

We drafted a player that sucked so bad we had to replace him with his backup. The backup got injured and sucked so we replaced him with a street FA. The street FA got injured and sucked so bad we had to replace him with our LG. And our LG while playing admirably for being out of position was so bad we signed a free agent LT for 2 years 30mil. And now people are making plans for if he also sucks.
Shit happens.

I don't think everyone here is appreciative of just how difficult it is to play Left Tackle in the NFL at an above average level. It's really, really hard. Those guys are not easy to find, and almost impossible when you're drafting from a Super Bowl slot every year.

The FIRST time the OL screwed us in a Super Bowl, BOTH of our very good offensive tackles (including a former #1 overall pick) got hurt during the season. (Fisher in the AFCCG). Schwartz retired, and Fisher tried to come back but never played meaningful football again. Both were what...31?

I don't think it's fair to criticize the front office or coaching staff for that.

You could argue that they should have had a better plan C last year, but really, how many teams have a great plan C?

staylor26 04-21-2025 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 18036648)
4 years after we "fixed" the O-line we have the highest paid guard/center combo in the league. Have the 4th highest paid RT in the league that we're eagerly waiting to get rid of. We're already planning contingencies for the guy we JUST signed that supposedly had potential to be our long term LT. And Kingsley is going to compete with Mike Caliendo for the LG spot.

Are we going to pretend that it's a stable position to be in?
First off, you are trying to create a narrative about the entire OL. IOL has been great for a while, and even after losing Thuney, it should still be a plus. It's about OT.

The Chiefs were unfortunate enough to have both OTs fall apart the same exact season. They've been trying to fix both spots long term ever since.

Taylor was obviously supposed to be one of those long term solutions, and in terms of a 3-4 year run/window, he was a solution, but he is absolutely overpaid. He's been fine when it matters most, so besides being overpaid, don't see the issue. The reason you're replacing him next year is to get cheaper there and he's approaching 30.

I don't know what it is with people like you and trying to create narratives about the team's personnel moves, but it's not even remotely complicated or confusing.

Chris Meck 04-21-2025 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18036658)
First off, you are trying to create a narrative about the entire OL. IOL has been great for a while, and even after losing Thuney, it should still be a plus. It's about OT.

The Chiefs were unfortunate enough to have both OTs fall apart the same exact season. They've been trying to fix both spots long term ever since.

Taylor is overpaid, but he's been fine when it matters most. The reason you're replacing him is to get cheaper there and he's approaching 30.

I don't know what it is with people like you and your obsession with trying to created narratives about the team's personnel moves, but it's not even remotely complicated of confusing.
well, casual fans only notice the OL when they give up a sack or get a penalty. Taylor's given up a lot of penalties, but he has played fairly well other than that.

Overpay? Well, didn't have much choice.

O.city 04-21-2025 05:36 PM
Obj doing whatever he did kinda ****ed the whole thing

Chris Meck 04-21-2025 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 18036663)
Obj doing whatever he did kinda ****ed the whole thing
yes he did.

-King- 04-21-2025 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 18036658)
First off, you are trying to create a narrative about the entire OL. IOL has been great for a while, and even after losing Thuney, it should still be a plus. It's about OT.

The Chiefs were unfortunate enough to have both OTs fall apart the same exact season. They've been trying to fix both spots long term ever since.

Taylor was obviously supposed to be one of those long term solutions, and in terms of a 3-4 year run/window, he was a solution, but he is absolutely overpaid. He's been fine when it matters most, so besides being overpaid, don't see the issue. The reason you're replacing him next year is to get cheaper there and he's approaching 30.

I don't know what it is with people like you and your obsession with trying to created narratives about the team's personnel moves, but it's not even remotely complicated of confusing.
Not creating a narrative. Just having a conversation and trying to get a better understanding. Even football experts like me get confused on some things.

-King- 04-21-2025 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 18036656)
They were wrong on Kingsley’s ability to play LT. Sometimes that just happens and you only wind up in the SB rather than winning the SB.

Kinda funny indeed.
My point is to the people thinking they should/will go OT first round and the rumors coming out that that's what they're going to target.

I'm fine with what they have now. I'd like to see Moore get a full year before we draft his replacement. And I don't think we need to redshirt a RT for if Moore's good and we need a replacement for Taylor.

O.city 04-21-2025 05:41 PM
When you go “draft and develop” like we have an are successful in terms of winning games…it gets tough.

They’re in the “look for value and draft well” phase where shit just doesn’t work out sometimes

I’m a little more worried about the fact that the qb seemed to have a mental breakdown the past 2 seasons at times and forget how to handle a pocket but that’s another story

staylor26 04-21-2025 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 18036666)
Not creating a narrative. Just having a conversation and trying to get a better understanding. Even football experts like me get confused on some things.
Yet:

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The strategy for the OL just seems incredibly disorganized and like they're just throwing shit against the wall and hoping it sticks.
Sure, Jan.

staylor26 04-21-2025 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18036662)
well, casual fans only notice the OL when they give up a sack or get a penalty. Taylor's given up a lot of penalties, but he has played fairly well other than that.

Overpay? Well, didn't have much choice.
Exactly. When you go out in the first wave of free agency and get a top FA, you are going to overpay.


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