Never forget that there were many that never thought WCW could make WWE/WWF nervous back in the day. Remember the early Monday Night wars and the whole "Raw is Taped" thing? WCW changed a lot of things, but ultimately Turner wrote a lot of mega million contracts and wasn't 100% as into being a Wrasslin' company as Vince.

Hogan brought in Jimmy Hart and the Nasty Boys? Yeah, it's going to be WCW crap all over again.

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A good DVD to rent is the "Monday Night War"

Talks about Vince vs Eric Bischoff and the Monday Night TV ratings war Ted Turner and Vince McMahon used to have. Talks about the rise of the nWo, DX, how the Rock and Austin came to be what they're known today. WCW vs WWF etc and so on.

Like I said earlier bischoff was brillant to say who was going to win the matches on raw that night. And to prove it signs Rick rude and while he is on raw with a beard he comes out clean shaven basically saying raw is tapped we are not. Like I said what I would have given to be in the room when Vince found this out. But as has been discussed this forced Vince to go live and improve the product. As I said he is denial that TNA is a threat but when they start really challenging him raw will get better.

Vince got lazy and complacent and now it's gonna cost him for a while. He should of been agressive and signed styles, Joe, kaz, ey, abyss etc to contracts TNA couldn't have matched. He saw them as no threat now they are developing Vince screwed this up.

This.

The 4 years leading up to that were absolutely amazing.

Thats pretty much what i said in an earlier post. They got too big to manage. It got to the point where they had so many current stars they had to split them all up in leagues aka RAW and Smackdown. I remember when they first had that draft. They got to big to manage, got complacent because there wasn't another league out there for McMahon to compete with, they got lazy, wrestlers got old, storylines went to crap, no new talent/personalities that would mesh with the fans like Rock and Austin did. I mean during this time...how many times was Triple H the HW Champ? Almost like 95% of the time. I can only imagine how much backstage pull that guy had since he married into the family etc.

Yep I agree he never saw tna as a threat as I said thought they were second rate his mistake.

Well unfortunately they had two guys but let them walk in angle and mr Kennedy or Anderson. He was getting heat and cheers like I said the anti hero but it wouldn't surprise me that hunter told Vince he shouldn't be pushed. Think about some of these young guys in TNA in WWE how much better would the talent be. And over with the fans.

Or, you could grow up and stop watching this juvenile shit.

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I agree with your post 100%... and to be honest I haven't watched wrestling in years. Couldn't even begin to tell you any of the current wrestlers or storylines for that matter...when I was younger of course...I watched all the time. I think we all did for a period or so. For me/ my generation you are correct...the glory days were certainly topped by The Rock, and Stone Cold. Stone Cold being my fav. of the bunch. I will disagree with your remark of throwing Kurt Angle in the junk character mold...maybe his character is a bit "junk" but damn he's one hell of a wrestler. That guy is tremendous. I like you mentioned, started watching mma years ago about the same time I quit watching wrestling and haven't really looked back since. From time to time I'll actually be watching mma and thinking to myself if it were years ago and Kurt Angle was a bit younger, he'd make a hell of an mma fighter I do believe...maybe that's just my opinion though. But most wrestlers, or fighters with a wrestling base rather do quite well in mma. I'm thinking Angle would have been no different.

They aren't faking an MMA fight, they are working a Japanese style match. MMA was birthed by Japanese Puro.

RAW has stunk for quite a while now. The whole guest host thing has totally blown up into a whole pile of shit.And though I had hi hopes for the Hogan/Bishoff thing with TNA, I am quite disapointed as of right now.


They have some of the worst acting and story lines around. AJ Styles and Rick Flair is the only interesting segment as of the moment. Lets hope they get this ship righted. Wrestling is in the worst shape that I can remember for quite a while.

I have always considerd these shows just "Soap Operas for Men". The actual matches are ususally secondary to the stories. Right now they both stink.:huh: