Is it possible Chan signed off on the current line?

"I can win with these guys."

"OK, Chan, do it. You da man!"

SIX MONTHS LATER

"Chan, YOU'RE FIRED."

Bingo.

Seriously if Haley put alot of stock in Gaileys opinion about our o line being able to protect Cassel and then he realizes the truth I could see Gailey being fired pretty quick.

PhilFree:arrow:

Eeewww, Gruden?

He arguably runs the most boring system in the NFL, watching Tampa play was like using Nyquil to wash down valium.

Last year KC was 16th in rushing (yards), and the Cards were 32nd. Maybe things can get worse.

What was their passing vs ours?

am I the only one based on the news release's title that thought after looking at our O-line and our QB going down, that Chan is simply relieved that he won't have to be OC for the season opener when The Ravens rape us back to the dawn of man... aka before the advent of the forward pass... aka Herm's RRPP assault... ?
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This may just be a case of Haley saying that he wants to take over playcalling at this time. I still wonder whether Gailey has been fired or if he is sticking around as the QB coach.

It's funny, I was reading some article the other day that mentioned that it looks like the Chiefs still haven't found an identity for their offense, and if you think about it, last year it took us a hell of a long time top find one. I'm thinking that maybe Haley looked at that, looked at the situational playcalling the last two weeks, especially in the fourth quarter where we have a chance to win both games, and thought he could do better. We'll see...

That's what I think as well.

Haley is just trying to be like Norv. OC and HC at the same time.

As soon as we get an OL that can pass protect, QB like Warner, Fitz, Bolden and the rest of the Cards receivers, KC might be able to have a top 5 passing attack. With so many passing weapons, the Cards should have been able to move the ball on the ground.

That system he built in Oakland wasn't too bad.

Is going 4-12 too optimistic at this point?

According to Josh Looney on Twitter:

He had several years to cherry pick guys that were perfect for it & they executed it well...but it was still a dink & dunk O.

Coaches always amuse me when they're self-critical, though no one mastered it like the old Tampa Bay coach, John McKay:

REPORTER: What do you think of the offense's execution?

McKay: I'm all for it.


ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Gailey took sub-par talent and actually eeked out a bit of production.

Krumrie took sub-par talent and set a record for futility.

Beating the dead horse here, but still.

this was my thought as well
it would explain why pioli passed on the o-line so much...

Maybe Mike Martz is on his way to town.

KC is going to get bumrushed week 1. You guys are lucky Cassel is out for 2-4 weeks because he would be out for the year after week 1 if he played.

I think Pioli and Haley, drowning their sorrow with high grade alcohol, were cruisin the Planet yesterday and stumbled upon the pics of Gailey's attire coming to camp last year.


It didn't fit Pioli's vision:
“We’re going to build a big, strong, smart, fast, tough, disciplined, and WELL DRESSED football team and we’re going to do that by going out and finding big, strong, smart, fast, tough, disciplined, WELL DRESSED football players & coaches."

Chan is getting the blame for: a) McIntosh/Goff/Niswanger, b) not being able to get good production out of 3rd string WRs who have been put in with the first team, c) LJ who had been falling from the least bit of contact, d) backup HB's who fumble without contact, e) Tyler Thigpen not being able to hit water while falling out of a boat.

I hope Haley hasn't bitten off more than he can chew.

Quite frankly, I think there was a "gentleman's agreement" to disagree between Pioli and Haley about Gailey in the beginning of Haley's hire. It appears in the beginning that Pioli liked Gailey because he was one of the few kept on after Pioli cleaned house and before Haley was hired. But remember, Haley's veins run deep with "black and gold" in his family genes and maybe Haley was the one hanging on to Gailey? Who really knows?

However I do give alot of credence to the fact that although Thigpen is always responsible for his own play that because he did not play well and a trade opportunity was probably lost that either Haley or Pioli or both felt that Chan did not "showcase" Thigpen to his best ability.

We'll leave the BUMrushing to you guys.

Possible

maybe Haley just wanted Chan around long enough so that he could handle more head coaching duties. Now that he has gotten his feet wet with all the administrative stuff, he’s ready to go back to calling plays.

Haley is probably also extremely critical of offensive coordinators. I can see not taking much to set him off in a “you are a loser, I could do better than you, blindfolded, the day after a stroke” rant.

Maybe they will bring in DV to coach the Offense.

this is about play calling. If you listen to Haley post game - you can hear that he was frustrated with the play calling in the first half... terms like "we got away from the ground" etc... I think Haley just decided to call the plays himself and let Chan go get another gig.

What did Chan do?

Haley just said if the offense wasn't more productive against the Rams on thursday that he would shit can himself...

ESPN Link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4434133

Was Gailey fired because he passed too much or too little or because he was a bad QB coach or something else?

My guess is that Haley transitions Sirianni into OC kinda like Belichick with Josh McDaniels (given that Sirianni and and Haley were with the offense at practice).

One must wonder if Chan said the OL was "OK" and Pioli and Haley just "trusted" that without watching tape of last year...

carthon will get the title... haley will be the play caller.

I love the picture caption. LMAO

"Chiefs offensive coordinator Chan Gailey, left, and QB Matt Cassel in camp in early August, when Gailey wasn't fired and Cassel wasn't hurt."

LMAO

this

I just worry about whether Haley is a bit out-of-control and in over his head.

Any bets that Charles and Johnson are lining up in the backfield week 1 because we won't have any QB's left by the 4th qtr.

Does anyone think Pioli and Haley work like that? Just take the opinions of left over coaches on a team that had 2 wins?

Got a better explanation???


It took Jack (DUH) Del Rio five years to figure out his OL from Coughlin sukked.

We all know this is a huge mistake, gailey is responsible for calvin johnsons talent at GT

This.

"I'm afraid our head coach has done something...rather rash..."

http://gamesnet.vo.llnwd.net/o1/game...93178_main.jpg

This

chan ran it straight up the middle one too many times-lol

Good point. You'd hate to have a coach who's ego completely torpedoed a 2-14 juggernaut.

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I did notice Saturday night that Haley was calling plays later in the 4th quarter. Wonder if that's when it all came to a head.

Krumrie must go, and should have been (if not already) gone before Gailey. I think the feet-wet theory holders that posed Haley's transition to HC and delegating enough to call the plays, are on target.

Having noone stand out at fullback didn't/doesn't help, either.

We'll probably never know the real reason. It could be any number of things, probably some difference in philosophy. That would make the most sense. But it could be anything. Maybe Gailey wants to play Thigpen, and Haley wants to play Croyle. Who knows.

Haley is disappointed with the offense and thinks he can do a better job calling the plays?

It is stupid to think a new GM and new head coach came in and just took the word of the previous OC. And if they did that, they should both hand in their resignation tomorrow. ,

Me too. He wants to be HC, OC and QB Coach. Sounds like a recipe for disaster unless he is a genius with unlimited time. Maybe he can find a way to work 36 hours a day, but this smacks of a Josh McDaniels "I know better than everyone about everything and you can hit the road if you don't think I'm a genius."

cuz that's what i'm saying, you reerun.

At some point if a boss just yells all the time, people will tune them out. They same goes for all the drama crap. I'm not trying overreact, but it's a concern. If this shit doesn't work then Haley will lose the team and probably never get it back.

*crosses fingers* hoping for the best.

Very weird timing.

ROFL

I usually agree with that concept. But the only difference with these Patriots guys though... to their credit, if you can't handle it, you'll be gone. And somebody else who can handle it will be in your place.

This is fantastic news. I never wanted him here in the first place.

lol @ your name

While there is some argument for Chan not having enough talent, as a fan, I'm just damn happy to see a HC who actually holds his coaches accountable.

*crosses fingers* hopes for the best.

classic!

My thoughts on this are pretty simple I guess. Shit wasn't working, let's try some new shit.

Like anyone would miss most of the current members of this team if they got lost. :#

Personally, I hope the housecleaning continues!

It's not just about current coaches and players. If Haley loses it he might get the rep around the league that could effect his ability to ever be a successful Head Coach.

I expect gailey to join herm at looking bad on NFL Live

How has that been working for Mangini and Crennel?

Someone from the past regime got fired in the preseason. Why the hell is this a concern?

that's a solid point....lot of things behind the scenes that we won't hear about until later...

Haley was probably changing the calls as Gailey called them in. Gailey wouldn't be none to happy about that. If you don't like it git the **** out/Haley.

Can we just can Krumrie and get it over with?

Clean purge.

This isn't surprising at all. If anything, I figured it would happen earlier.

Haley's been quoted as saying that he didn't know who would be calling the plays this year. It could be Gailey, Mo Carthon or Haley himself. That pretty much tells me that he just wasn't familiar enough with Gailey as a coach, play-caller and person to be able to make a determination.

Now that he's watched Gailey call plays in three games, he decides to relieve him of that duty. Gailey's "style" isn't meshing with Haley's vision for the Chiefs. I think it's that simple.

In a way, I'm glad because unless coaches have worked together in the past, inheriting another regime's coaches usually doesn't work. And this is a prime example.

There can be no excuses now.

I bet Pioli is getting ready to hire Josh McDaniels as soon as he gets let go

Or McDaniel's inauspicious start in Denver....

LMAO

Bottom line is it's Haley's responsibilty to put the team in the best position to win, if Chan's the OC for the worst offense ever it still comes back to Haley. He has to try and do what he thinks is the best move for the team.

I'll worry about that once the season starts going along.

I think some of you are way too worried about Haley's reputation.

I think Haley is exactly what this team needs after the Gunther/Vermiel/Herm era. If the players are that soft mentally, then let them go after this year and bring in new ones. Blow the whole damn team up if necessary.

I want players who do what they're supposed to when they're supposed to. Talent is great, but precision and technique covers a lot of territory also. If they don't like being told what to do, then the hell with them. If their "feelings" get hurt, then let them earn a living doing a real job instead of playing a game.

Not much sympathy here.

Crap, if I had to do it, I'd bring in a bunch of Paris Island DI's to run training camp. :cuss:

Let's hope this is all about Haley "seeing things" in defenses that Gailey was not seeing (and should have) - and resulting in the wrong plays being called.

I know it's a stretch....but at this point, I need any nugget of positive outlook with these chiefs that I can get.

Who cares? They aren't our coach. Those guys were overwhelmed... Crennel never had it. Mangini did, but then wrecked it when he got desperate and brought Favre in.

Either way, neither one of those guys are the coach. And I don't disagree, a lot of the Pats assistants have struggled. But we don't have a Pats assistant as a coach. Mangini, Crennel, Weis, and now McDaniels have struggled. But in terms of front office philosophy, the Pats, Dolphins, and Falcons have done very well. We'll see.

The defense is improved and the quarterback is in place. Baby steps. :thumb:

I get the impression that most of the players on our roster like playing for Haley. Maybe not all, but most.

Gailey leaked the information on Cassel's injury. He should be looking over his shoulder for decades.