That's because deep up the arc is a really piss-poor deficiency of Patrick Mahomes and it stresses the **** out of his tackles. This video is pretty well picture-perfect of how OTs are trained to ride guys around a normal arc. It will be a learning curve for any OT to deal with Pat.

Patella injury is extremely worrisome. Majority of players who had that injury were never the same again.

He also has really short arms. Barely 33 inches.

Pretty sure they made this move and overpaid bc they don’t like the options at LT in this draft

I am becoming very confident that Veach is going to focus on drafting a RB early. I would imagine 63 or a trade up from 63 in the 2nd rd to get that guy bc there’s a bit of a drop off from the top handful of backs to that 2nd tier.

But yeah it will mostly be defensive, especially the first rd

Hopefully he picked up all the tips and trips from playing behind Trent Williams because I wouldn’t rely on Heck to pickup his game.

In my initial reading, it seems like there are a lot of running backs I like with Day 2 projections. I'm hoping we pick up one of them. I'm not averse to a Day 1 guy if they see someone they like, but it seems like Day 2 is a sweet spot based on my shallow research to date.

They’re speculating. Unless Moore is a really good LT and we extend him, they’d be foolish to consider this a long term switch for Kingsley

Big win for you. You called this one first. Kudos!!

Does Elijah Mitchell, a true runner, signal that these moves are part of a greater plan to evolve into an offense that could run the football more multiple?

Andy spoke to the fact that he thought the lack of run game threat was the biggest issue in SB. Maybe that’s the fix from where he sits, and therefore the scheme fit issues become less impactful, if they do exist, as far as integrating Moore.

I think it's a sign they realize the RB position is a problem and Pacheco's style has already caused him to start breaking down.

Yeah, but how do you also work around the possibility that Moore can’t do what they have traditionally liked their tackles to do?

You become a more serious, stable rush offense. Not all that dissimilar to what Buffalo did under Joe Brady.

If past history is anything to go off of, they'll continue to ask Moore to do things he can't do and then the fans will call him a pile of shit.

His injury wasn't really because of his playing style. He was running between tackles...which every single RB in the NFL does.

I thnk that is just coachspeak and trying to throw Mahomes a bone. We were down like the entire game. We only even tried to run the ball 6 times. Our lack of running game, if that even is true, had absolutely nothing to do with our issues in the SB.

Maybe if more people say it, people will start listening instead of just reflexively defending him.

Man he makes it hard on his OTs.

Not allowed to call out Patrick on here some dumbass tried to use his QBR as a metric to prove his decision making wasn't poor last year

HE'S THE GREATEST LT TO EVER LIVE.

I counter zero no-hitters. Progress.

Ive never been asked to get deep up the arc. Fortunately.

Gonna disagree that this draft will be all about defense. I think veach is all in on reversing the regression on offense. I have a feeling we’re gonna go heavy on OL and also consider a RB or TE. Veach is notorious for finding FAs on 1-2 year deals while actively also trying to find their replacement. It’s unlike veach to solve his biggest issue by bandaiding it and calling it a day. Last time he overhauled the OL he bombarded this roster with draft picks (creed, trey), bandaids (Blythe) and free agency (thuney/obj).

I don’t think the value will be there in the first round for offense. But I imagine it will be in the later rounds

Didn’t seem to be as much of an issue in 2022. I would imagine having 5 LT’s in 2 years certainly doesn’t help though

Man I'm behind, but woop, this is who I wanted!

things were bad, now they're good! forever!

No it wasn't.

That's the thing I noticed about him almost immediately in 2023 though (and, again, got railed on for saying it).

And it certainly got no better in 2024.

It's an issue that has to be addressed if he wants to get back to that premier form. He's making life much harder on himself these days than he used to. Sure - fine, blame the OT situation. It's as good a reason as any. But the critical thing is that we at least acknowledge that it's been a thing.

If he's going to get back to where he was, his playstyle needs to get back to where it was as well. And the shift from OBJr to Smith shouldn't have yielded that kind of massive step back.

A good chunk of it is just on PM.

Hoping this is signaling an evolution in the OL.

No one can bitch that Veach ain't trying to fix things on the Oline.

Never under estimate the mouth breathers of CP.

Nagy became the OC.

Peters clone? Both about the same measurables and both played TE until moving to OT.

Reid thinking he can catch lightning in a bottle twice at OT?

Jason Peters was an athletic unicorn.

Peters clone? Both about the same measurables and both played TE until moving to OT.

Reid thinking he can catch lightning in a bottle twice at OT?

Reid thinking he can catch lightning in a bottle twice at OT?

Both about the same measurables and both played TE until moving to OT.

Peters clone?

Love it. Great deal for someone who should only get better

Was teammates with Skyy Moore in college. The Moore you know...

He was teammates with Caliendo too, they played together on the same line...

Exactly. And his stink is all over the offense.

Lot's of change at WR and dropped passes and lot's of rollover at RB too. I do think Mahomes put too much pressure on himself to achieve the 3-peat as well.

Why don't we hire a decent offensive line coach and get rid of POS Heck? He ****ing sucks ass.

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This was really the best choice of what little was out there

Young
Ascendant, ceiling unknown
No known character concerns

Still wanna bring Humphries back so he and Suamataia can push him, keep the pressure on him and we might just get a diamond

He'll probably end his NFL career with more TDs than Skyy Moore too.

I guess this is good.

If he can at least give us OBJr production then this will be a great move.

Please work out. I’m ready to see old Pat back.

Ronnie Stanley has to feel stupid...had he waited till today he would have got so much more money.

Eric Fisher also played TE in high school and a little bit of college

how much did he play?

I'll wait to see how he performs to voice my opinion about him

Wasn't there quite a few guys who really wanted him?

I remember him being mentioned a lot, or at least I feel like I do, and that a lot of bros here thought he'd be the best option.

Jaylen Moore or Tunsil?

I have to be honest I've never even heard of him.

That would've been our best bet, much preferred

But the smart money says Veach tried, and they simply weren't gonna play ball with an AFC rival

A low risk, high reward type of move. While upgrading the LT position by several double digit ratings. What's not to like?
Feels very Orlando Brown Jr like, which we would take multiple times over.

Left tackles don't grow on trees and aside from the QB, it's the hardest position to fill in the NFL. Unlike the QB, it is very rare to draft great LTs outside the top 20. In free agency, the great ones are never available. And teams would hardly ever trade the ones they got.
You have to do something and this is what you do. A smart, non-panicky acquisition of a player who looks and plays the part.

Andy Heck likes what he sees!

I’m actually encouraged. He’s got a squat build that should keep him from getting abused by bull rushes. His technique overall looks pretty good. Very little lunging or overextending trying to compensate against speed rushes.

I really like the rep at :50. That’s good hand fighting, IMO. Wanya and Kingsley would have whiffed against that quick swat from the EDGE, probably been beaten immediately for a quick sack. Instead, Moore swats back but doesn’t overextend and is able to ride the defender upfield, leaving the pocket in tact.

Mahomes will have to be disciplined in not dropping too deep. That means LG will be extremely important. If he doesn’t trust the LG, he’ll drift backward and make Moore look worse than he is.

He was the original Lone Ranger before getting into football.

Once Stanley signed this was the move that made the most sense to a lot of us.

Gotta figure he left at least $20M on the table.

I like it.

I like the length of the deal, too, because if you want to move on if he doesn't work out or if Kingsley looks better in practice, you can flip him for a pick.

moore

All players should come with a referee likeness rating. Unless of course they are a Kansas City Chiefs

Matt Lane is the worst Chiefs 'analyst' there is. Anything he posts should be disregared.

How? Come on Pepe, crawl out from under your rock and join us.

Like a month ago, I said, Hey guys, this is the guy I want.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...postcount=1292

Everyone here talks about it for a week.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...357091&page=26

It has been copy-pasted by every Chiefs' wannabe news feed on the planet for the past couple of weeks as if it's some grandiose idea of their own.

This guy will help us win two more Super Bowls!

The bar for LT play for the Chiefs to win a Super Bowl is Eric Fisher/OBJ/Donovan Smith.

That isn’t exactly Willie Roaf territory.

What about Alaric Jackson?

He might’ve had the best market of any of them.

Yeah - Jackson ****ed up BIGGLY.

Stanley has age and durability concerns that might've held back his value on the market. I don't think he'd have killed what he got even in this market.

Jackson would've had a stronger market than Dan Moore and potentially by a fair bit. Could've gotten another couple million a year and maybe even another year if he wanted it.

I just don't understand how anybody (Bolton included) would play their way to FA status and then not at least test the market. He had to have seen the amount of available cap out there.

He may have left $50 million on the table.

Weren't there some people who comically bitched about Veach's lack of "cooking" in free agency before free agency even began?

Dan Moore got what? 4/$82?

Jackson easily could’ve gotten 4/$88 then, right?

I was 100% on board with Jackson at 4/$80.

He needs to fire that agent.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KansasCityC...ging/#lightbox

~“PFF numbers are excellent…Last 3 seasons: 681 snaps, 4 sacks, 0 penalties. Last season’s blocking grade of 73 is higher than any Chiefs offensive lineman over the last two seasons.”

Very promising, indeed.

LMAO

Excellent news, a young-ish tackle who learned from the master LT in SF. 0 penalties as well, hopefully he continues that w/ the Chiefs

Thanks for the Monday Update.

I don't know if he did **** up per se`. You look at 57.5/3 vs 82/4 and it's just as simple as adding a 3rd year at 25m to Alaric's deal. The Rams can get out of the deal after 2 years, so that helps them. Alaric hits the market again at 28 going on 29, which means one more likely big payday, so he's also betting more on himself.

Was Alaric worth a bit more on the open market? Maybe. I think he might have got a bit more, something like 21-22m AAV on the open market. If Alaric does really well on this deal, he might be gaining a lot more than 6m on his next deal.

One of the best parts of this deal is it essentially gives the Chiefs two years to find and develop a LTOTF, if BPA calls for it.

They could go LT at any of their first picks in the next couple years, not be forced to play the kid if they need the time.

He’s not that bad normally but is insufferable during free agency and the draft. If it’s not a guy he wanted he’s just going to slick hate for two weeks. He’s got little man syndrome but he’s not little. And it’s funny that people think he’s small purely because of his attitude.

good to hear. It's not a huge risk anyways with a 2 year deal.

I was actually thinking they should look at the leagues best LT's and see who their backups are because they probably didn't get many opportunities.

This is exactly what drew me to like the idea. You get a guy who can hold down the fort and will likely not be any worse than Cam Robinson or Dan Moore Jr, who have been, let's face it folks, relatively subpar at best and cost far more for lengthier terms.

Most of the OTs in this class are going to need some seasoning before they can play meaningful snaps. That doesn't mean you don't take one even in round 1, but it takes some pressure off and lets you develop a guy a little bit before casting him into the fire.

Even with this signing, I remain on the draft Conerly hype train in round 1. If Jaylon Moore works out at LT, you can always move Conerly to RT to take over for Taylor, it's just going to take a bit of time for him to acclimate. Conerly is going to need some development in the strength and anchor department anyhow but he's got all the other tools you want. If you can't get him, you can look at another project or wait until 2026 to get a prospect.

Well, and/or for that matter, it's too early to give up on Kingsley. He's got all of the physical tools.

If I played in the NFL I'd have been calling Tershawn Wharton's agent the second the ink dried on that Carolina contract.

I think Wharton is a very solid player, but his agent is HOF-caliber for getting him a contract like that.

Not being able to anchor properly is a major criticism of his. I don't know if that's a teachable thing. Certainly a big red flag imo that might not be worth the risk.

While I agree with you on the traits, I don't know if that's a universal thought. Most draft pundits a year ago didn't see him as a LT, they thought he might work out as a RT. That sticks in my brain a bit. The Chiefs have also been pretty clear about their desire to play him at LG, from week 18 through the offseason so far. Most players that end up going to OG from OT don't end up back at OT. I don't recall an instance of it, although I'm sure it's happened in the annals of time.

Unless the Chiefs give me a reason to think otherwise, I'm of the thought that Kingsley will be our starting LG from here on out.

Weird I think Lane is the best of them.

It is if you have the feet for it.

People look at strength when they talk about anchor, but a lot of that is having light feet and good balance.

Conerly does seem to have both those things. He just lacks the functional strength to pull it all together.

That's the EASIEST of those three ingredients to add.

But I still don't see me wanting him over the DL in this class.