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shitgoose 08-31-2009 11:17 AM
Chan couldn't stop looking through Thigpen colored glasses so now he is unemployed.

ChiefMojo 08-31-2009 11:17 AM
I don't think Haley/Pioli liked what they were seeing from Chan pure and simple. Haley and Mo are more than capable of calling the plays in "their" vision. I applaud the move!

Micjones 08-31-2009 11:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018056)
This isn't surprising at all. If anything, I figured it would happen earlier.

Haley's been quoted as saying that he didn't know who would be calling the plays this year. It could be Gailey, Mo Carthon or Haley himself. That pretty much tells me that he just wasn't familiar enough with Gailey as a coach, play-caller and person to be able to make a determination.

Now that he's watched Gailey call plays in three games, he decides to relieve him of that duty. Gailey's "style" isn't meshing with Haley's vision for the Chiefs. I think it's that simple.

In a way, I'm glad because unless coaches have worked together in the past, inheriting another regime's coaches usually doesn't work. And this is a prime example.

There can be no excuses now.
Still seems a bit curious to me.
It's not as though Gailey was calling plays from an entirely different scheme.
He was using Haley's playbook.

And no amount of playcalling can cover up the holes we have offensively.

rambleonthruthefog 08-31-2009 11:18 AM
at least these chiefs keep it interesting. they make a trade, swithc up the rotation, demote a player for slacking, pick players off the waiver wire, fire coaches. failure was cool with herm.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 6018085)
Still seems a bit curious to me.
It's not as though Gailey was calling plays from an entirely different scheme.
He was using Haley's playbook.

And no amount of playcalling can cover up the holes we have offensively.
Well, in a way, I'm glad.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

This is Haley's deal now.

That comment about 22 players of the street winning more than 2 games is going to bite him in the ass...

Chiefnj2 08-31-2009 11:23 AM
Haley is on track to look better against St. Louis. He'll probably play Croyle who is much better than Thigpen. He'll probably play the entire #1 roster and not send out Copper and other no names with the first string. Thigpen missed a couple of wide open receivers including Darling on what should have been about a 40 yard gain.

MahiMike 08-31-2009 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6017659)
People can say what they want about Chan, but the guy was able to create an entirely new scheme last year on the fly with Thigpen.
I think this is why he got fired. He wanted to go back to that system and Haley didn't wanna go there.

Coogs 08-31-2009 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018099)
That comment about 22 players of the street winning more than 2 games is going to bite him in the ass...
You could be right, but I like a lot of the stuff we are seeing in the games so far. First team defense is looking pretty solid. And Cassel and Croyle have looked pretty sharp running the offense. LJ and Charles look good. Bowe is playing very well.

If TT doesn't run the offense for 3 quarters the other night, I think we beat the Seahawks. Well never know, but that is my opinion.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-31-2009 11:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 6018115)
I think this is why he got fired. He wanted to go back to that system and Haley didn't wanna go there.
Then good for Todd Haley.

Just Passin' By 08-31-2009 11:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018099)
Well, in a way, I'm glad.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

This is Haley's deal now.

That comment about 22 players of the street winning more than 2 games is going to bite him in the ass...
Ok, slightly off topic, but you keep referring to this, so:

Oak * 2
Den * 2


wouldn't you expect K.C. to split with each of them?

Inspector 08-31-2009 11:27 AM
Wow...

So, if it's true then that means Haley aint ****ing around here.

Ralphy Boy 08-31-2009 11:30 AM
time for the obligatory Mike Martz/Al Saunders reference...

....if someone else didn't already beat me to it in the 14 pages and 20 minutes since this thing hit the front page.

Just Passin' By 08-31-2009 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6018136)
time for the obligatory Mike Martz/Al Saunders reference...

....if someone else didn't already beat me to it in the 14 pages and 20 minutes since this thing hit the front page.
I think that if Haley hires Martz, Pioli will fire Haley.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6018118)
You could be right, but I like a lot of the stuff we are seeing in the games so far. First team defense is looking pretty solid.
I've seen several people say this and for the life of me, I don't see it.

Sure, there is pressure from time to time on the QB but giving up 300 yards a half isn't my idea of solid.

The defensive ends look good but the NT position and linebacker position leave a lot to be desired. Teams will just run right up the middle all day long on the Chiefs and as we all know, neither Page nor Pollard can tackle.

This defense will be good, but not in 2009.

Quesadilla Joe 08-31-2009 11:32 AM
Best offseason ever ROFL

The Chiefs are falling apart.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6018146)
Best offseason ever ROFL

The Chiefs are falling apart.
You obviously haven't been following the Chiefs for long.

They fell apart in 2007.

It's Haley's job to put them back together.

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018145)

The defensive ends look good but the NT position and linebacker position leave a lot to be desired. Teams will just run right up the middle all day long on the Chiefs and as we all know, neither Page nor Pollard can tackle.
After watching some video last night, the DEs need some work, too.

Dorsey and Jackson got their ass kicked plenty.

Just Passin' By 08-31-2009 11:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6018146)
Best offseason ever ROFL

The Chiefs are falling apart.
Dude..... The Chiefs axed a holdover from an old regime. Do you think Cassel's going to demand a trade now, the way that Nancy Cutler did?

If not, you really need to know when to just STFU.

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2009 11:33 AM
They're not going to bring in anyone new, other than having Haley's dad sitting under the goalposts yelling old man obscenities at Succop every time he misses a 28 yard field goal. They'll just readjust the staff, make Carthon the OC by title, and let Haley run the show. I'm looking forward to it.

Molitoth 08-31-2009 11:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6018146)
Best offseason ever ROFL

The Chiefs are falling apart.
Dumbass, they will not be worse than last year. They are already 100x better by firing Herm.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018152)
After watching some video last night, the DEs need some work, too.

Dorsey and Jackson got their ass kicked plenty.
Jackson has the makings of a beast but he will certainly struggle at times during his rookie season.

Dorsey should be shipped out for whatever they can get for him. He doesn't fit. Start Magee because he's your long-term solution (allegedly).

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2009 11:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6018146)
Best offseason ever ROFL

The Chiefs are falling apart.
Thigpen's mother > Orton

BTW, how's his boo-boo? Did Joshie have to sprinkle him with kisses and put the Barbie band-aid on it?

Bearcat2005 08-31-2009 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6018146)
Best offseason ever ROFL

The Chiefs are falling apart.
Say anything to make yourself feel better.

Coogs 08-31-2009 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018145)
I've seen several people say this and for the life of me, I don't see it.

Sure, there is pressure from time to time on the QB but giving up 300 yards a half isn't my idea of solid.

The defensive ends look good but the NT position and linebacker position leave a lot to be desired. Teams will just run right up the middle all day long on the Chiefs and as we all know, neither Page nor Pollard can tackle.

This defense will be good, but not in 2009.
Flowers went out early, and if I am not mistaken, Mays did as well. I do not think we blitzed much at all to put any pressure on Hasselback, but I could be wrong there. And, our offense did nothing to help out our defense after the 3rd quarter, and that falls mostly on TT.

First string defense is OK, IMO. Maybe not the Steelers or Ravens yet, but much better than C. Gunninghams looked.

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 11:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018165)
Jackson has the makings of a beast but he will certainly struggle at times during his rookie season.

Dorsey should be shipped out for whatever they can get for him. He doesn't fit. Start Magee because he's your long-term solution (allegedly).
Wait til you see the gif of Tank Tyler getting destroyed by a fullback.

Ralphy Boy 08-31-2009 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6018153)
Dude..... The Chiefs axed a holdover from an old regime. Do you think Cassel's going to demand a trade now, the way that Nancy Cutler did?

If not, you really need to know when to just STFU.
Dont you just know that somewhere over on the mange some idiot just posted a thread titled "the folks at ChiefsPlanet are throwing a fit!".

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018176)
Wait til you see the gif of Tank Tyler getting destroyed by a fullback.
I saw it.

Do you have a gif of Goff getting pancaked by Leroy Hill?

Unreal.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6018175)
First string defense is OK, IMO. Maybe not the Steelers or Ravens yet, but much better than C. Gunninghams looked.
I think it's way too early to make that call.

I think the defense will be good in two to three years but this year, I fully expect them to be at the bottom of the league in every statistic.

Just Passin' By 08-31-2009 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralphy Boy (Post 6018179)
Dont you just know that somewhere over on the mange some idiot just posted a thread titled "the folks at ChiefsPlanet are throwing a fit!".
I must say that it's been a very good learning experience for me as I've followed what's going on in K.C. and Denver. I used to think that the R*A*T*S fans were obsessive about the Patriots, and they are.

They don't hold a candle to the Broncos and Chiefs fans with their obsessions about the respective 'enemies'. These boards are Fatal Attraction when it comes to that stuff, and I love it.

DJJasonp 08-31-2009 11:41 AM
Dane mentioned... "live by the sword, die by the sword"... I agree and I like that approach as well.

The only thing that worries me with this is that this Haley project is an all or nothing move (in a relatively short time-frame).

If you're a bill parcells, or even a Tom Coughlin....you can come into a new team, kick some asses around....fire people, do whatever you want.

But - when you're a rookie head coach - you're not going to get the same time-frame to show improvements as a Parcells or Coughlin, or Cowher for that matter.

So I say to Haley....you'd better be right.....and be more right than wrong - quickly.

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2009 11:44 AM
Some of these comments are amazing. Everyone yells and moans about how we want a championship team, but when the new leaders are bold enough to make unconventional decisions and dump a guy who wasn't working out as an OC, people get indignant. So Thigpen got better with a spread offense. We won 2 games last year. 2!!! So this whole "You'd better be right, Haley" stuff is hilarious. Better be right or what? Go back to the safe days of Paul Hackett and Gunther Cunningham?

1ChiefsDan 08-31-2009 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6018153)
Dude..... The Chiefs axed a holdover from an old regime. Do you think Cassel's going to demand a trade now, the way that Nancy Cutler did?

If not, you really need to know when to just STFU.
Problem is Knowmo doesn't know shit. His football knowledge is worse that Goatcheese's.

booger 08-31-2009 11:45 AM
just a few notes: Joe D’Alessandris was with Gailey at GT so who knows if he will stay on or not.

Bicknell, Carthon, Muir, all have OC experience as does Defensive Q/c coach Pat Perles. So does asst GM Joel Collier. Mostly as a RB coach but was promoted to OC by Dave Wandstedt at Miami but had to give that up because of a serious illness that offseason.

Also training camp intern coaches Ritchie Anderson(TE's, WR's RB) and Anthony Pleasant (DE and OLB) are still with the team as far as i can tell from the games. It wouldn't be a big suprise to see them added for the regular season if needed. Both are Parcells and Belichick guys and former players.

check out the bios

http://www.kcchiefs.com/directory/

DJJasonp 08-31-2009 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6018200)
Some of these comments are amazing. Everyone yells and moans about how we want a championship team, but when the new leaders are bold enough to make unconventional decisions and dump a guy who wasn't working out as an OC, people get indignant. So Thigpen got better with a spread offense. We won 2 games last year. 2!!! So this whole "You'd better be right, Haley" stuff is hilarious. Better be right or what? Go back to the safe days of Paul Hackett and Gunther Cunningham?
You must not have read my whole post.... I LIKE the approach.

My main point is - rookie head coaches are not given the same amount of time to "get it right" than other coaches with the same "hard-headed" approach (parcells, coughlin, cowher).

CaliforniaChief 08-31-2009 11:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 6018209)
You must not have read my whole post.... I LIKE the approach.

My main point is - rookie head coaches are not given the same amount of time to "get it right" than other coaches with the same "hard-headed" approach (parcells, coughlin, cowher).
I wasn't banging on you, man....just those who act like the sky is falling. Yeah, the Herm-painted sky is falling.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 6018194)
Dane mentioned... "live by the sword, die by the sword"... I agree and I like that approach as well.

The only thing that worries me with this is that this Haley project is an all or nothing move (in a relatively short time-frame).

If you're a bill parcells, or even a Tom Coughlin....you can come into a new team, kick some asses around....fire people, do whatever you want.

But - when you're a rookie head coach - you're not going to get the same time-frame to show improvements as a Parcells or Coughlin, or Cowher for that matter.

So I say to Haley....you'd better be right.....and be more right than wrong - quickly.
He signed a five year deal (as did Pioli). I think he'll get every bit of that time to try and improve this team.

He's going to need it...

DJJasonp 08-31-2009 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6018214)
I wasn't banging on you, man....just those who act like the sky is falling. Yeah, the Herm-painted sky is falling.
cool...

I like that our organization grew a pair in the offseason.

I just hope this is "the one" with Haley....cause the approach can backfire (more often with rookie HC's).

philfree 08-31-2009 11:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJJasonp (Post 6018209)
You must not have read my whole post.... I LIKE the approach.

My main point is - rookie head coaches are not given the same amount of time to "get it right" than other coaches with the same "hard-headed" approach (parcells, coughlin, cowher).
Unless they are buddies with the new GM and his first hire. Haley's safe through 2010 I would think.

PhilFree:arrow:

patteeu 08-31-2009 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 6018200)
Some of these comments are amazing. Everyone yells and moans about how we want a championship team, but when the new leaders are bold enough to make unconventional decisions and dump a guy who wasn't working out as an OC, people get indignant. So Thigpen got better with a spread offense. We won 2 games last year. 2!!! So this whole "You'd better be right, Haley" stuff is hilarious. Better be right or what? Go back to the safe days of Paul Hackett and Gunther Cunningham?
The "or what" is that he will lose the team, not the fans. Of course, once he loses the team, he's going to lose the fans too, but that wasn't the point.

DJJasonp 08-31-2009 11:51 AM
Just to be a bit of devil's advocate here....

WOuld you guys be willing to wait 5 years for the chiefs to make the playoffs again??

(where the current NFL it's not uncommon to go from worst to first in a year or so)

??

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 11:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018183)
I saw it.

Do you have a gif of Goff getting pancaked by Leroy Hill?

Unreal.
Did he get pancaked by Hill, TOO?

I saw Jesus Curry nail Goff.

nychief 08-31-2009 11:54 AM
I would not be surprised to see Mike Cox released tomorrow... Chan was his college coach.

Coogs 08-31-2009 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018189)
I think it's way too early to make that call.
Maybe, but I just see things out of the defense that I didn't see that much the last few years. Dicipline for one. Yes we have a long ways to go on defense. But I already see improvement.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018233)
Did he get pancaked by Hill, TOO?

I saw Jesus Curry nail Goff.
Yeah. Second series, I think. Goff pulled left and Hill trashed him.

rockymtnchief 08-31-2009 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nychief (Post 6018240)
I would not be surprised to see Mike Cox released tomorrow... Chan was his college coach.
I wouldn't doubt it. He hasn't elevated his game from last year. I really had hopes he would.

Titty Meat 08-31-2009 11:58 AM
Whats the point of the off-season? I mean this move should have been made then and half the starters aren't even on the team yet.

AZChief 08-31-2009 12:02 PM
Per Josh Looney's twitter account:

It's official, "I've assumed the role as offensive coordinator of the Kansas City Chiefs," Todd Haley.

Haley also goes on to say that Chan Gailey WILL remain with the team in some capacity...his role is currently being discussed

DonJaun 08-31-2009 12:09 PM
The 0-line coach should be next!

tooge 08-31-2009 12:12 PM
Listening to Petro right now, and I think his "take", albeit his conspiracy theory is right on. He stated that he wonders if Haley just didn't say "look chan, we aren't gonna ever become the perennial playoff contenders and superbowl contenders running the spread with guys like Thigpen. We need better players to run OUR system, but they aren't all here now. We will do the best we can within OUR system." In other words, he would rather take the bumps with accurate pocket guys than Thigpen types and run his system. Chan probably disagrees and with a bit of arguing, Haley tells him he's done. Sounds good to me.

Inspector 08-31-2009 12:16 PM
I wonder if Haley hit Chan and broke his jaw?

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 12:17 PM
Whatever happens, we'll always have memories:

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/97264/1.jpg

Inspector 08-31-2009 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scott free (Post 6017876)
Eeewww, Gruden?

He arguably runs the most boring system in the NFL, watching Tampa play was like using Nyquil to wash down valium.
Mmmmm...Nyquil and valiums....

Breakfast of champions!

(and little chocolate doughnuts.)

CrazyPhuD 08-31-2009 12:26 PM
Wow I guess they must really be convinced that Bruschi can run the offense.

Chieftain58 08-31-2009 12:30 PM
morons

nychief 08-31-2009 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tooge (Post 6018295)
Listening to Petro right now, and I think his "take", albeit his conspiracy theory is right on. He stated that he wonders if Haley just didn't say "look chan, we aren't gonna ever become the perennial playoff contenders and superbowl contenders running the spread with guys like Thigpen. We need better players to run OUR system, but they aren't all here now. We will do the best we can within OUR system." In other words, he would rather take the bumps with accurate pocket guys than Thigpen types and run his system. Chan probably disagrees and with a bit of arguing, Haley tells him he's done. Sounds good to me.
pure speculation.

Chiefless 08-31-2009 12:32 PM
I've only scanned the first three pages, so if someone said this...sue me:

When Haley said every position is up for grabs he apparently meant EVERY position.

twinkiekid 08-31-2009 12:32 PM
Are we sure that Chan didn't just say,"fuck it. I can't keep a qb healthy and I'm not going another year with that Thigpen again. I've got better things to do than watch the defense outscore the offense. Boring."

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-31-2009 12:40 PM
I wonder what the reaction of Chiefs fans would be had the Raiders or Broncos performed the same move two weeks before the start of the season? Or if Carl had done it. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that it took weeks to come to a decision on a coach and a staff and then two weeks before the start of the season they decide to can the coach who has the 2nd or 3rd most important job on the team?

Titty Meat 08-31-2009 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6018409)
I wonder what the reaction of Chiefs fans would be had the Raiders or Broncos performed the same move two weeks before the start of the season? Or if Carl had done it. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that it took weeks to come to a decision on a coach and a staff and then two weeks before the start of the season they decide to can the coach who has the 2nd or 3rd most important job on the team?
You aren't allowed to question Pioli.

Buehler445 08-31-2009 12:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6018409)
I wonder what the reaction of Chiefs fans would be had the Raiders or Broncos performed the same move two weeks before the start of the season? Or if Carl had done it. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that it took weeks to come to a decision on a coach and a staff and then two weeks before the start of the season they decide to can the coach who has the 2nd or 3rd most important job on the team?
That's my take with it. I don't care about about Gailey.

As I posted earlier, any differneces should have been addressed a LONG time ago.
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OnTheWarpath15 08-31-2009 12:49 PM
Good.

Should have happened in ****ing February.

ChiefGator 08-31-2009 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 6017811)
Maybe Chan wanted to pass too much leading to Cassel getting hurt?
Or maybe Chan wanted to go into max protect and Haley thinks it is better to get more receivers out there for Cassel to see, rather than max protected and just one or two receivers in routes.

No real way to know is there...

Chiefnj2 08-31-2009 12:59 PM
Haley didn't really put Gailey in a position to succeed. Poor OL personnel, holding back guys like Bowe with the third team, having to play Thigpen, etc.

DeezNutz 08-31-2009 01:00 PM
If a pistol fires in an empty offense, will anyone hear it?

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-31-2009 01:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tooge (Post 6018295)
Listening to Petro right now, and I think his "take", albeit his conspiracy theory is right on. He stated that he wonders if Haley just didn't say "look chan, we aren't gonna ever become the perennial playoff contenders and superbowl contenders running the spread with guys like Thigpen. We need better players to run OUR system, but they aren't all here now. We will do the best we can within OUR system." In other words, he would rather take the bumps with accurate pocket guys than Thigpen types and run his system. Chan probably disagrees and with a bit of arguing, Haley tells him he's done. Sounds good to me.
Sounds good to me too, and I hope it chaps Petro's dumb ass for the rest of the season.

Mr. Flopnuts 08-31-2009 01:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6018409)
I wonder what the reaction of Chiefs fans would be had the Raiders or Broncos performed the same move two weeks before the start of the season? Or if Carl had done it. Doesn't it seem a bit odd that it took weeks to come to a decision on a coach and a staff and then two weeks before the start of the season they decide to can the coach who has the 2nd or 3rd most important job on the team?
I would be laughing my ass off if this happened to any of our rivals. Instead I'm developing homicidal tendencies. Who planted the ****ing aids tree at 1 Arrowhead Drive?

Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6018467)
Good.

Should have happened in ****ing February.
It should've happened in February. Not at the end of ****ing August. This is a cluster**** move. Do we know what we're doing? Apparently not.

OnTheWarpath15 08-31-2009 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6018562)
I would be laughing my ass off if this happened to any of our rivals. Instead I'm developing homicidal tendencies. Who planted the ****ing aids tree at 1 Arrowhead Drive?



It should've happened in February. Not at the end of ****ing August. This is a cluster**** move. Do we know what we're doing? Apparently not.
As I said in another thread:

I'm just glad that Haley is holding EVERYONE accountable, not just the players.

Gailey's playcalling was just as predictable as last year. A few buddies and I were at the game Saturday, and were calling the plays with close to 80% accuracy. If the ****ing fans know what's coming, I'm pretty sure that opposing defenses know it as well.

bowener 08-31-2009 01:11 PM
Maybe the players will feel this wasnt a fair firing and then realize what that means.

I would hope if it isnt Chan's fault everything has sucked, then the players who have failed Chan and the offense (the Right side of the line) will take deep stock in who they are as men and players and realize that they need to get their shit together good enough to at least protect their ****ing QB on pass plays.

Maybe this was seen as a way to remove dead weight (Chan) and go with Haley as OC (which probably would have happened anyway). It could possibly light a fire under some guys asses hopefully.

Mr. Flopnuts 08-31-2009 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6018568)
As I said in another thread:

I'm just glad that Haley is holding EVERYONE accountable, not just the players.

Gailey's playcalling was just as predictable as last year. A few buddies and I were at the game Saturday, and were calling the plays with close to 80% accuracy. If the ****ing fans know what's coming, I'm pretty sure that opposing defenses know it as well.
I don't disagree, but they had enough game tape to make that decision long before now. I guess if he's taking over the playcalling that's one thing, but can he handle all of that? We'll see. I just don't understand the logic of making this call at the end of the preseason.

DeezNutz 08-31-2009 01:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6018601)
I don't disagree, but they had enough game tape to make that decision long before now. I guess if he's taking over the playcalling that's one thing, but can he handle all of that? We'll see. I just don't understand the logic of making this call at the end of the preseason.
Perhaps Haley was under demands from management and ownership to keep Gailey around, and Todd finally gathered enough evidence to change opinions?

No matter what, it's not a great sign that this is happening less than 2 weeks out. Pretty embarrassing for the franchise, really.

We'll see if it ends up being positive in the long run...

C-Mac 08-31-2009 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6018568)
As I said in another thread:

I'm just glad that Haley is holding EVERYONE accountable, not just the players.

Gailey's playcalling was just as predictable as last year. A few buddies and I were at the game Saturday, and were calling the plays with close to 80% accuracy. If the ****ing fans know what's coming, I'm pretty sure that opposing defenses know it as well.
I don't think Haley could take it anymore, he was never comfortable with someone else calling the plays...especially if they were failing. Likely Saturday nite he had enough and took control of it. Don't know for sure when he started but I noticed he was calling the plays somewhere around the 4th quarter.

angelo 08-31-2009 01:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Lundberg (Post 6017687)
Here's what I like about this.

*Haley could have let Chan hang around until the end of the season and then Fired him and used him as a scapegoat for our upcoming 3-13 season. Instead he took the bull by the horns and made the call right away. It may be to his ultimate detriment, but I respect the hell out of Haley for running this thing his way.
This.

For the managers out there.

How often have you started a new job and the staff looked good on paper but could not execute your plan.

Did you keep them around, I bet not.

Ang

TRR 08-31-2009 01:21 PM
The bottom line is that Todd Haley wants to call the plays. Its what he does best, and what he wanted to do all along. What does Gailey offer if he isn't calling the plays?

According to some reports, Gailey has been retained, but will be removed as O Coordinator. Its better to make this decision now rather than during the season. Haley tried to let Gailey run the offense, but everyone knew the time would come when Haley took over...
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DeezNutz 08-31-2009 01:23 PM
Gailey isn't going to be retained.

I could care less what the reports are today. When the smoke clears, his ass will be nowhere near 1 Arrowhead. Nothing good can come from having fired employees hanging around the water cooler.

Mr. Krab 08-31-2009 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 6018295)
Listening to Petro right now, and I think his "take", albeit his conspiracy theory is right on. He stated that he wonders if Haley just didn't say "look chan, we aren't gonna ever become the perennial playoff contenders and superbowl contenders running the spread with guys like Thigpen. We need better players to run OUR system, but they aren't all here now. We will do the best we can within OUR system." In other words, he would rather take the bumps with accurate pocket guys than Thigpen types and run his system. Chan probably disagrees and with a bit of arguing, Haley tells him he's done. Sounds good to me.
Thigpen is the debbil!!!!!!!!!!

MahiMike 08-31-2009 01:24 PM
If nothing else, Pioli and co. sure know how to keep the Chiefs in the news! Don't blink with these guys. Wow.

Quiet Storm 08-31-2009 01:28 PM
I love it. Your HC is already using scapegoats because your offense sucks a55. I mean, really? The regular season hasn't even started.

Way to alienate the rest of your staff Einstein.

Coogs 08-31-2009 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 6018674)
I love it. Your HC is already using scapegoats because your offense sucks a55. I mean, really? The regular season hasn't even started.

Way to alienate the rest of your staff Einstein.
Thigpen sucked azz. LJ, Charles, Bowe, Lelie all looked pretty good.

Brock 08-31-2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 6018674)
I love it. Your HC is already using scapegoats because your offense sucks a55. I mean, really? The regular season hasn't even started.

Way to alienate the rest of your staff Einstein.
Uh, Dumbo, Gailey was a holdover from last year.

KCUnited 08-31-2009 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 6018674)
I love it. Your HC is already using scapegoats because your offense sucks a55. I mean, really? The regular season hasn't even started.

Way to alienate the rest of your staff Einstein.
He didn't scapegoat anyone. He said in his presser that the ultimate accountability is on him and because of that he wants to call the plays.


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