Hence, the importance of keeping the pipeline going at LT and RT...if your franchise tackle leaves via FA, then you can go to the next guy, etc.

Alaric Jackson was a UDFA. He is projected to get 15-20M per year. Chiefs have to go out and get him if that's the price...

https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2025/1...alaric-jackson

Alaric Jackson has guard length arms, I would say he’s a no-go

I've mentioned it a couple of times in the draft forum but I like Conerly. Lots of excellent tape in a very competitive conference. There were concerns about Rashawn Slater's measurables when he came out too. It's not the end of the world.

Google is all over the place with his arm length...i'm seeing both 32.5 and 33 7/8. Ideal length is 34.

In one month people are going to start going crazy for a prospect with the same attributes Suamataia had last year.

The Chiefs best option might just be hitting the reset button on the kid and develop him.

Yep, I agree. I just re-read one of the scouting reports on him last year, and he has all the attributes to be a very good LT in the pros. Maybe he just needs a new offensive line coach? He should have learned something this year in practice, somebody should be able to coach him up enough to improve, imo.

No. Thus far, the most impressive thing that guy has done is jump out of a swimming pool... They can develop him, but they got to get someone else to play ahead of him while he develops. They cannot go into the season next year with the same situation as this past year.

Personally, if there's a prospect they like/love at tackle and you can get. You draft him. Knowing that Taylor is probably gone after this year, we need to develop tackles. We're going to need LT and RT.

I'll get flamed here but...if you need 2 years to "develop" you shouldn't have been a 2nd round pick.

He needs to be ready to go either at RG or LT this training camp.

Rashawn Slater was a ****ing beast. He may not have had the length of a tackle but he was really ****ing strong. Like insanely strong.

Conerly isn’t strong. He’s a smaller more finesse tackle and the Sr Bowl outlines how awful his strength was when Mike Green destroyed him with power.

I can’t sign off on that. We just lost a SB with Thuney getting bull rushed into Mahomes all night

A very late 2nd, almost a 3rd round pick.

I have no issue with that because the value of the position if you hit.

What I didn’t like was not also signing a veteran.

From what I saw, developing Suamataia into a high caliber LT is trying to develop Gilbert Gottfried into an opera singer. At this point, we HOPE he can have meaningful snaps at guard in the next few years. I don't know what the answer is, but answering Suamataia at LT is like answering "Kazakhstan" on an Algebra test.

2 years of development gives you 2 years of cheap play (really 1 cause they'll want a contract extension after the 3rd year).

I know he was raw, but was the answer really to pull the plug on him after 2 weeks?

I think half this board is already convinced he's a total bust. We sent him after the literal sack King this year by himself and wow, what a surprise, he didn't do well.

Like, this shit takes time for young LTs. Its not a fun process, but it is necessary.

I mean, you draft to backfill your roster, and yes, you take traits and try to develop. But you're talking about taking guys on Day 3 or late on Day 2, not using 1st round picks on them.

It's not impossible to find usable Gs that way. Pretty do-able.

The idea that you just keep drafting Ts and always have guys waiting in the wings ready to step in is one that seems simple on paper or to say... but there aren't THAT many good T to go around. There are not really teams that have a pair of kick-ass T ready to go, sitting in a "break in case of emergency" status...

Here is the dilemma of my thought process: I want to trade up for a LT but we have so many issues on this team that need fixed and things we have to prepare for.

Jaylen Watson, Leo Chenal, Turk Wharton, one of Nick Bolton or Trey Smith, Bryan Cook, Justin Reid, Isiah Pacheco. Lot of these guys are leaving next year or the year after.

Take a look at our skills positions:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Under contract for the Chiefs offense entering the offseason (QB RB WR TE): <br><br>Patrick Mahomes<br><br>Isiah Pacheco<br>Carson Steele<br><br>Xavier Worthy<br>Rashee Rice (knee/susp?)<br>Skyy Moore<br>Nikko Remigio<br><br>Travis Kelce<br>Noah Gray<br>Jared Wiley (ACL)<br>*Peyton Hendershot (RFA)</p>&mdash; Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1889336933911793775?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is a special draft class for TE, DL and RB. It’s hard thinking of selling those picks for a LT prospect but in the end if you don’t have a solid OL none of it will matter

We have 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, there is no need to trade them away when we have to keep retooling our team!

We have several FA's players to address, keep our picks!

If anyone, anywhere says the Chiefs are done---punch them.

Tell me we wont be back in the mix next year. Tell me we cant win.
If we won-I was going to propose an automatic place in the playoffs-without having to play the season. Just give us a spot. After playing more games than anyone in the last 7 years, we deserved the season bye.

Ideally you don't want to only get a year or two on the rookie contract.


In this case, we just need to find someone that can play well, no matter the cost we will pay it.

I'm sure he's been developing and will continue to do so.

What’s the deal with Will Campbell?

Is he a legit franchise caliber LT or is he simply a top 10 projected pick because of the scarcity of quality left tackles in this year’s draft?

If he is a franchise caliber LT, and can solve the Chiefs LT issue for the rest of Mahomes’ career… seems like he would be worth swinging for the fences to draft.

Do a similar trade as the 2022 Tyreek Hill trade to get the draft capital needed to trade up… which might include trading McDuffie.

Is Will Campbell the LT to secure Mahomes’ blind side for the rest of his career?

Trade McDuffie?

:facepalm:

Sorry, idk about you but I’m willing to give up on the chance at another FAU or Suamataia if it means we have a shot at a player who helps to extend Mahomes’ career and helps to right the ship with his performance and the overall offense. If that means the defense takes a bit of a step back then so be it, no position is more important right now and we can fail to fix it.

If we can get Jackson or Stanley or find another option that works then that’s great, but if we strike out next month in FA then a large trade up in the draft absolutely has to be on the board as an option.

wait why can’t we just sign Stanley or at the very least Cam Robinson? not enough cap space? we don’t necessarily need a HOFer we just need someone reliable and competent. Stanley had a really good season last year.

then we can use our top picks on RB, IOL, and DL. Maybe a corner if a good one is sitting there

Sure, give him a chance and if develops then great, he can slot in at a number of spots on the OL. But if he is so shell shocked and mentally shook after his rookie year or simply never reaches his ceiling are you ready to go into yet another season with no other option?

We’re headed for a mini-rebuild which is fine.

Get the line straightened out should be priority one. We should still be able to put out a top 10 d with the guys we have coming back.

First of all, trading McDuffie is simply not an option. Won't happen.

Second of all, Will Campbell is not that good. And has shoter enough arms his ability to stick at T is questioned. I think he's Luke Joeckel.

Exactly. HUGE mistake. No hindsight needed.

We are def headed for a mini rebuild offensively.

Rice and Worthy are about it

WE need a legit RB. And a legit LT.

Travis didn't lose a step at all. He came into camp FAT and fat will kill your speed and explosiveness.

If you don't think so, go look at how he looks just in 2013. Totally different body and he coulda done 1000 yards easily.

It's not his age it's where his head is at. For the first time ever he and Pat were not on the same page in games in what they were doing. That's not a "step" issue that's a head issue.

I swear I started reading this sentence and thought to myself "he must be overreacting to the Senior Bowl rep like everybody else" and sure enough LMAO

He was lining up at RT, not his natural position, and it was one rep.

Ronnie Stanley is probably getting tagged if they don't work out a deal.

Also this is again a cap vs cash question, is Clark Hunt going to be willing to dole out a massive amount of guaranteed money to sign a proven LT a long with what it will take to keep the guys they need to keep?

What veteran TEX? You keep bitching in hindsight with zero solutions even with that benefit.

I hate these conversations, like what was your solution? What are these names?

Wanna be ridiculous, the Chiefs probably win the SB this year if they keep Orlando Brown, no one wanted to do that though. I mean we are literally at a spot where when you say sign a vet you're saying you wanted to go Donovan Smith or David Bahktieri who the rest of the league determined have nothing left...

And this isn't a shot at you ST I'm agreeing with you.

Not trading value resources to move up for this guy.

Josh Simmons? Maybe
Aireontae Ersery? Worth lookin into

Not sold on Conerly, especially since we have to trade up to get him

Everybody needs to remember that OBJ was available for trade because Baltimore wanted THAT badly to keep Ronnie Stanley at LT. They aren't letting him just walk.

I will bet you that Josh Simmons goes in the top 15 picks, he was the #1 OT before injury, a team picking like 12 isn't gonna let a guy that should go top 5 pass by.

It all comes from the need to blame. Somebody has to be held accountable! That kind of stuff makes sense a lot of the time, but not when you're a dynasty and as close to perfect as you can realistically be.

They didn't just ignore it. Humphries was that vet, and on paper, it was as good of a bet as any FA that was available in the offseason, but since it didn't work, these morons pretend they didn't do what they are bitching about when they did.

Oh no not at all. Small trade up or take him at 31 preferably. I think he has a legit shot at LT though. He's getting beat up way too much for that rep.

At the end of the day it's a bit of an evaluation problem. The Orlando Brown trade was fine for what it was, but I guess they didn't take into account he was going to have ridiculous contract demands.

Those contract demands have left us here because we decided "we can't pay him that" so here we are. Pretty sure when that trade was made they thought Brown would hold down LT for at least 5-7 years.

It happens every time, regardless of position or player.

The whole point in taking Conerly is that he's a guy you wouldn't have to give up a whole bunch of picks. And he could start right away. The tape doesn't lie. You may not be impressed with his measurables but you are the guy that started this thread.

Trade whatever possible? Or not?

To further prove your point, both of those guys were part of that same WR discourse the last 2 years. They've clearly moved on.

Yes but it’s about value for me and if I’m moving up it’s gonna be for Josh Simmons. I’ve watched that guy. I think he’s gonna be good.

When you trade that much for a player, that player has leverage on you to ask for more $$$.

Absolutely no disagreement there. It's basically trade up for Simmons, or get Conerly Jr. or Ersery at 31 or after a small trade up.

So has everybody else. Without the injury, he's the #1 LT in the draft. He's not going to drop to a range we can get him most likely.

Furthermore, he doesn't fix the LT problem that is the entire premise of this thread. He's not going to start next year.

Aireontae Ersery went to Ruskin HS...does BV risk two local busts?

I can’t figure out Ersery. He’s a big guy but doesn’t appear to have the foot speed. Not decided on him but he’s an option.

I just don’t think they want to go down this development road after doing it with Wanya and Kingsley the last 2 years.

I am fully expecting Cam Robinson at this point

Everyone is gonna be so mad when we sign Jedrick Wills, that is right in the Veach wheelhouse.

Also for those that want Stanley just remember, he's 30, the clear best guy and it's his last chance to get paid, that dude is gonna be asking for the bag...

Oh also this past year is the only time Stanley hasn't missed a game in his entire career.

Said many times Staylor, especially back last off season, that I would have retained Smith. He was "good" enough to play and win the Super Bowl. Would have been good enough to start the season also. Would have bought some time for the kidos.

Already called it.



LMAO

So your solution is a guy that was on his ****ing couch and you have no clue how done his neck/body is.

They had this guy in the building jsut last year, and they STILL felt that Humphires was the better option between the two. Are you really so stubborn to believe that you know something they don't and not the other way around?

Thanks for proving my point that you have absolutely nothing.

That was the same general reaction before trading Tyreek.

Do I want to trade McDuffie? Of course not.

However if trading McDuffie is a necessary means to draft a franchise LT and finally secure Mahomes’ blind side for the rest of his career? You consider it.

Veach and the Chiefs have shown an ability to draft/develop CB’s.

Raw, needs development and is coming off of a major knee injury.

LMAO

I’m big on Ersery, I’m personally fine with a small trade up if necessary along with another year of Humphries. Pair that with KS and Morris and you have 3 young tackles as well as a veteran option to hold the fort down. There’s no guarantee Ersery is better than KS or Morris but you’re playing the numbers game at that point and have a veteran option unlike 2024. I’d also look into having some other veteran options on speed dial in FA or trade in case things go south either from injury or lack of development. If that doesn’t work then man I just don’t know what else you can do.

I’m not pissed at it if we still take a big swing early in the draft to hedge our bets there

I love Trent McDuffie, great player, however you see why some teams weren't huge fans, like he's not a great matchup on a guy like AJ Brown.

I do think we need another boundary CB so we can go back to using McDuffie as a swiss army knife DB, so much value there.

Simmons’ comp on NFL.com:

LMAO

Kelce retiring would seemingly speed up that rebuild. I love the guy, but his salary would be really useful in that rebuild.

Prime DJ Humpries would have made a difference in the Super Bowl...

Dickerson fell to the Eagles due to a knee injury. THAT is how you get value.

The Chiefs need a surefire starter on Day 1.

Not a raw project who will likely miss all of the offseason program/OTA’s while recovering from a major knee injury.

Then you aren't drafting a LT, that's that.

Trading McDuffie would hurt but if it helped in getting you Josh Simmons you have to consider it. Use pick 31 and pick 20 something from mcduffie and move into the top 12 for Simmons. Use second round pick on a cb and third round running back.

I just don't see that, if you can somehow keep Bolton and Reid, if you can find a solid boundary CB on the cheap or in the draft the defense is a top 5 unit...

Rosenhaus already said the kid would be ready to go by training camp

I understand that, but that's how you keep a roster elite. You take a Jalen Carter when he drops to 10 for "off the field" reasons. You take Dickerson, the premier guard, much later because of a knee injury. You take the best players and continue to keep the cupboards stocked.

Heck, you take a failed first-round OT and make him a guard and exhibit the patience of developing a rugby player into a monster OT. Quick-fixes are great, but roster building is, obviously, much more than that.

I’m pretty sure when they traded for OBJ they were desperate because the option for the LT from SF fell through.

No idea how long they thought they might keep him. He wasn’t a great fit and BV did make offers to him.

I would take our best player(s) on defense and stone faced trade them for the chance at a real LT. I don't care at this point. They've done legendary work and earned two superbowls. But at this point you're getting the face of the league blasted. At this point in his career brady was out there getting blown out and embarrassed by the ravens in the post season and playing like shit but with above average left tackle play (and people call him the greatest of all time). Meanwhile mahomes is dragging you to superbowls with full blown aids at left tackle.

When you trade the equivalent of a high 2 for a player after basically declaring this OL must be better, there's no way you plan that as a 2 year fix.

Drafting a LT does not fix these issues and is not the solution.

The solution IF we're going to draft one is to have a vet that can be a plug and play day 1 starter that will keep Pat upright 99% of the time.

Smith is cooked. He's done. His neck is ****ed. There's a reason nobody signed him.

Mahomes got his body beat up all year and then had his head slammed into the turf and was punched in the head by Eagles cheap shot artists.


Enough.

He will be ready for camp per Rosenhaus. He’s gonna start somewhere.

But I get it. We’d have to trade 64 or 66 to move that high which is tough bc a really good player would be missed out on. A guy like Kaleb Johnson will probably be there for one of those picks and a player like that really helps us build the entire roster.

It would hurt trading that valuable resource but LT has killed us so much. Man I wish Kingsley looked like even an average LT this year.

lol

I honestly don't know what I would do.

Trading up high enough to get a starter is very cost prohibitive.

Trading up a few spots doesn't increase the hit rate, just the cost.

Stay put and there won't be anybody there.

The free agent class honestly sucks balls.

Ultimately I think we see another OBJ move. Something nobody expects until it happens.

Jawaan Taylor with the third highest cap # on the team in 2025.

The gift that keeps on (not) giving.

Here come your options..

Tyron Smith, he's older and injury prone but he's really good in pass pro and managed to play his most snaps this past year since 2018.

Jedrick Wills where you are literally saying well Cleveland is dumb and this guy was a top 10 pick.

Dan Moore cause well Pittsburghs likely not keeping him.

If it's not a FA option I'm not sure what you are doing unless you're gonna do something crazy like call Seattle and be like well Charles Cross hasn't been what you expected, what you want for him?

And that's what happens when you sign a FA OT.