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Most of the KCSN staff has trended that way as they've grown in popularity. |
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I like that at the very least he backs up his opinion and doesn't just praise everything. |
Well, anyway. For this season at least, looks like we've got our guy.
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Seth Keysor in particular is so bad that he had no clue about FAU as a prospect and had to watch tape the following day to give his opinion on the player. I can't listen to a lawyer give professional takes on my football team. |
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What frustrates the hell out of me, and has for years now, is the Bolton takes from OWG’s specifically. Generally I like Seth. But…. as a litmus test, when you try to suggest a guy like Bolton is very replaceable, to me you’re just outing the fact that you’ve never really grown to understand the game at a field-level. And there’s nothing wrong with having never played or coached and being an analyst. But damnit, don’t pretend simultaneously that players only add value in the form of their own individual play. It felt like rocket surgery to explain to Keysor how Bolton makes the other guys around him better, and he still stubbornly never really gave it any credence. |
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Too enthusiastic. With that said all of his takes are deeply analytical and make sense. He eventually will toe the Chiefs company line though. |
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It seems odd to me that if Moore was starter quality, why would San Francisco let him walk? Trent Williams is 36 years old and was rumored to be considering retiring at the end of the season. Unless they plan to draft his replacement with their first pick, then who is going to replace Williams? Maybe that's the plan. They have pick 11.
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We just traded Thuney - the best guard in football - not because he was not quality but because we had to get cheaper somewhere. |
Deal looks pretty friendly. Just over 11M hit this season, and 18M the following year. If Moore is at least serviceable, this is a real steal for the next two years.
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Early Jason Peters seems like the obvious comparison. If he’s even half as good this team is winning another ring this year.
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@CJScoobs
Just watched every snap of Jaylon Moore's 2024 season. KC is definitely banking on his development to continue, but he does not lose many reps. Still work to be done, but this is a good start for solidifying the offensive line. |
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The Chiefs are going to draft a developmental LT prospect with premium traits in the later rounds is another way to see this acquisition.
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My number 1 reason for wanting Jaylon Moore:
He’s the only available tackle who has any chance of outperforming his contract. The ceiling for the rest would be “expensive but didn’t have a choice”. |
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If he can at least look like he's capable of playing in the NFL then it's an upgrade |
I looked back a few pages and did not see the contract posted. If so, here it is again -
2025 base $6.75M, signing bonus $3.745M, Roster Bonus $510K, Workout $250K Cap $11.195M 2026 base $14.240M, signing bonus $3.745M, Roster Bonus $510K, Workout $250K Cap $18.745M https://overthecap.com/player/jaylon-moore/9619 |
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Reading what 49ers fans are saying isn't that encouraging, but **** it, gotta be optimistic |
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I just find the insesisent "bros just having a fun" vibe on KCSN to be forced and grating. It smacks of a group of the fourth funniest guys in their high school who happen to have all 22 access. |
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No "we need a 1000 posts to sign this guy" threads. The spasms must not have stopped yet
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Hmm...
Chiefs' Jaylon Moore Signing Risks NFL Punishment One would certainly hope the Chiefs were within the boundaries on this one. Not worth losing a draft pick over. |
I mean, yeah, they were obviously communicating before the legal tampering period.
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https://x.com/cjscoobs?lang=en |
Based upon the contract the Chiefs themselves aren’t 100% confident, but he’s a lottery ticket.
We took for granted what stability looked like with Orlando bc the times he was bad, he was pretty damn bad, but he was a functional LT that held his own enough to help the offense be very successful and that was enough. If we can get that from this kid it will be a massive win. I truly hope we do. |
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The more that comes out about the contract the more it seems like a one year deal. Opening us up to dabble in next years much better free agency class.
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Honestly if Veach somehow gets screwed/busted over this bullshit it's worth it, within reason. We could not afford the opening flurry of signings to happen and KC not walk away with a solid LT.
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Ekwonu and Cross will likely have their 5th year options exercised. That leaves potentially: Kolton Miller, LV Rashawn Slater, LAC Bernhard Raimann, IND Braxton Jones, CHI Rasheed Walker, GB Vederian Lowe, NE Terron Armstead, MIA (flirting with retiring this year so might as well leave him off) I can see a world where Miller, Slater, and Raimann all get tagged if they don't work out deals. I don't mind Braxton Jones. Rasheed Walker and Vederian Lowe are borderline guys that you'd love to upgrade but can work with if you have to. |
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He'll get tagged and traded quick as a hiccup. And the market for him will be enormous. |
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He's too good for them to let walk. Alt or not, they'd get a king's ransom on a tag and trade at minimum. |
Hell, if LA tagged Slater I'd probably still hand them the two 1sts and pay him top of market. He's that good and we aren't getting a LT like him without selling the farm anyhow.
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Been taking in some of the A22 that’s out there and I do see the projection KC is making.
Sure, Shanny didn’t ask Moore to do a lot of the stuff he may be asked to do in KC, but I think the requisite technique and foot quickness will be there to at least give OBJr level play as a pass blocker. I think. It’s on Andy to evolve the offense forward no matter what. My gut says they wanna make the running game a much more reliable component this year and then build out the intermediate to deep pass game off of that. What better way to help your bigs than let them function as a rush offense, leverage off that with speed at WR to lighten boxes. |
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Matt Lane says Moore reminds him of Thuney in that he looked like a guard trying to play tackle.
I love when he’s wrong, can’t say I’ve ever wanted it to be the case more than on this one. |
Matt Lane says Moore reminds him of Thuney in that he looked like a guard trying to play tackle.
I love when he’s wrong, can’t say I’ve ever wanted it to be the case more than on this one. |
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Was off the grid yesterday, so missed the chatter - but holy shit this is about as good as we could have expected from a price/talent standpoint.
Only concern is that Jaylon is pretty damn good at forcing the rush around/deep of the pocket, and Pat has a BAD habit of taking too deep a drop. |
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it's almost identical to what I was saying about Thuney -- he often attacked or took a really short set rather than kick back/out and form a pocket. Moore does a lot of that. But I think the 49ers asked him to. That's just the nature of their offense. So I can see why he'd say that but I also don't think that's a real comment on Moore's ability as much as how he was utilized. |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65BDWaRATtU
Mattydubs on Youtube loved the Jaylon Moore acquisition, giving an A+ HOWEVER, in the comments 49ers fans are saying Moore could not beat out their "bum" RT, just some conflicting analysis |
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But did seem to play quite well in a limited sample at LT. And typically has when called upon over there. Hard to explain why that might be the case, but it does appear to have some legs to it. In that case, not being able to beat out their shitty RT isn't that critical for us because he ain't gonna be playing RT for us and might just suck at that specific job. |
Wanya moved like a totally different player at RT. It’s a harder transition than many think, especially if someone only did one side for basically their entire development.
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My thought would be, if Andy Reid asks him to come in and vertical set the majority of the time, well that’s an Andy Reid problem and it would indicate an unwillingness to evolve with the game. You gotta work around your tackle play these days more often than not. Set them up to succeed. It doesn’t just help them, it helps your $500M QB. |
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Going to be VERY INTERESTING however if a premier tackle prospect falls to the Chiefs at #31 in the NFL draft, I know we need DT/DL but I wonder if we take one of the tackle prospects IF they fall (they prob won't) |
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Teams announce signings minutes after the start of legal tampering all the time. Most of them don’t get dinged. This is stupid. |
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Then we have to change the rules/enforce the rules/get rid of the rule (**** this is starting to get confusing) to make sure they’re punished! |
Pretty encouraging thread after reading all of it.
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Hopefully he gets a chance next year... |
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Not seeing how this is any different than the other legal tempering rumored signings. |
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I don't know that I agree with the article, I did find it interesting that it's coming from our own fanbase though. |
Film breakdown of Moore: https://youtu.be/_uCBP2iqLZM?si=mXe8oSZb5Gb1fXRN
I wanna go full homer and say this kid learned a lot watching Silverback and is ready to be our guy. Keysor was also complimentary in that he essentially said his film is better than anything at LT of the past two years — above average. He affirmed that he did not see what Matt Lane saw. |
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It’s coming from our own fanbase in the same way Adam Teicher came from our own fanbase. “It might be tampering” is just a different flavor of “The Chiefs might be in trouble if catastrophic thing happens” |
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we just need SOLID LT play, not Willie Roaf Ogden play. SOLID. Solid last year wins the SB. Or at least we're not blown out because Pat is so shell shocked by the end of the season. But this looks like a great signing based on this. |
I've been sick the last few days and missed all of this.
What's the deal with the contract? Dollars say he's probably the presumptive starter but why only 2 years? |
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Get him in here and see what he has. If he pans out, they can tear up this deal after this year, right?
I actually like this move. |
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And maybe that's where we need to go heading into this season. Scheme it so we have a TE or RB lined up that can, at the minimum, give the illusion they are going to help. Then actually help if the situation calls for it without having to throw the whole offensive system into disarray when the LT can not handle one-on-one situations like last season? |
Isn't that just typical RB shotgun alignment? They're either left or right and slightly offset or right on line with the QB most of the time.
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The more time that passes, the more I like this signing. Moore likely has the highest ceiling of any available options we had this offseason, and I have no problem with how they approached it. Is the floor a little lower with him than a guy like Dan Moore? Maybe, but you're also not having to pay him 80 million dollars. With him and Kingsley on the left side, the athletic ability of our o-line is very intriguing. We're extremely young, yet experienced across the board. I think it's going to be a really interesting mix.
Really happy with the entire offseason overall, they are killing it. They might not be signing dudes with big names to satisfy the media, but they've already drastically improved this team and we haven't even hit the draft yet. I'm just loving the looks of our secondary, I think we might be on the verge of a very special group of DBs that could carry this defense. |
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I’d love to get one more pass rushers in free agency then we can roll to the draft. |
Overall, I think this board is pretty smart when it comes to this kind of stuff. Several people had Moore at the top of their list due to upside, cost, etc. I'm a fan.
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