Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17019429)

So to push back against the you dont trade Bobby Witt thing...then how do you restock the minors? We have literally no hope to be gopd for at least 5 years. Our milb system is horrid. We dont have enough ready made guys to compete. If you AREN'T worried about the fans or if your downtown stadium gets through you should absolutely consider trading the valuable pieces and start over. This team is going nowhere.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019450)

You re-stock it by being better as a front office...

By trading Scott Barlow and getting a good return (which should be Chapman+)

By trading Salvador Perez to the Marlins and getting a nice haul in return

By trading Nicky Lopez and getting something decent

By developing better in the minors. Without that, it wouldn't matter what they got back for Witt if trading him in the offseason.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17019449)

Then I guess Garcia becomes a second baseman at that point because he loses a lot of value at 3rd.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019459)

It's about 5 runs of defensive value at 2B or 3B vs. SS. At least according to Fangraphs. I don't know how bRef calculates the core defensive value of each position.

2B and 3B are equally valuable defensively. Are you just looking at it from the lens of the power production you usually see at the position? If he's not playing SS, it doesn't really matter where he's playing if he's a guy you want to build with.

You can win a WS with a Chone Figgins type at 3B.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019459)

It's about 5 runs of defensive value at 2B or 3B vs. SS. At least according to Fangraphs. I don't know how bRef calculates the core defensive value of each position.

2B and 3B are equally valuable defensively. Are you just looking at it from the lens of the power production you usually see at the position? If he's not playing SS, it doesn't really matter where he's playing if he's a guy you want to build with.

You can win a WS with a Chone Figgins type at 3B.

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17019464)

Does that metric need recalibrated after the removal of the extreme shift though? Genuinely asking, not sure.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17019465)

I'd prefer a guy with a better bat at 3rd if you are gonna have the piles of garbage in the OF this team has...

Another thing can this team just admit that MJ Melendez is not an OFer, he's brutal out there.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17019751)

Witt at SS and Garcia at 2nd long term would be the best for this team. That's strong defense up the middle.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17019760)

Here is a captain hindsight question though:

Would you still have traded Andrew Benintendi or gave him the same contract the White Sox did?

Originally Posted by Demonpenz (Post 17019746)

Melendez has been disappointing. He looked like a world beater for awhile.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019764)

I saw something today about him adjusting his hand position over the all star break. He's got them a little farther away from his body. The swing looked better over this series, so we'll see.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17019674)

It's possible, though I think it's from pre-shift days.



Melendez has been rough in the OF. Has the tools to be good, but is not.

The Royals would have to get better in the OF and at 2B to make Garcia work well at 3B, sure. I think that's actually the easiest position to upgrade. And is the offense or the setup of the team changed at all if Witt is playing SS instead of 3B, with the lighter-hitting guy who would play SS playing 3B instead?

I want to see some combination of Witt-Garcia-Loftin at 3B, SS, and 2B next year. I don't really care what that combination is.

In the OF, I'd look for a FA or trade acquisition to move things forward.

Cody Bellinger seems to have fixed the things wrong with him. That's someone I'd pursue in FA as a potential CF option that adds lefty power to the lineup. We'll see what Waters can be over the rest of the year, though the slow start isn't great.

I kind of look at corner OF as the easiest spot to find solutions at in baseball.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17019763)

That's a lot of money for basically a singles hitter that plays good D.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17020121)

Singles at leadoff spot means runner on base for Witt and Salvy to hit home.

How many runs from shit defense has cost the team from the left field position?

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17020143)

gotta start somewhere..

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17020243)

Clarke and Cuas ruin Lyle's start.

Originally Posted by cabletech94 (Post 17020405)

I miss having solid bullpens.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 17020282)

That's fine. Lyles should be winless.

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 17021183)

Outside of Lynch, he's been the Royals best pitcher the last few months. Sad, but true.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17021098)

They were able to sign the 11th round pick they went over slot for.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">11th-rder Jared Dickey signs w/<a href="https://twitter.com/Royals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Royals</a> for $572,500 ($422,500 counts vs pool). Largest bonus after 10th rd so far this year. <a href="https://twitter.com/Vol_Baseball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Vol_Baseball</a> OF/C, one of better hitters in SEC, controls zone well. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBDraft?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/qg8qyIPF4J">pic.twitter.com/qg8qyIPF4J</a></p>&mdash; Jim Callis (@jimcallisMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/1681393845798305809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17021545)

and Melendez is a big boner in left field

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17021670)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals rank #25. <a href="https://t.co/0Rlqtdbipg">https://t.co/0Rlqtdbipg</a></p>&mdash; Royals Review (@royalsreview) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsreview/status/1681416262079971328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17021745)

Weird day of baseball. There were 3 different 11-10 games today, including the Royals game. The Diamondbacks and Braves had a 16-13 game too. And the Cubs won 17-3 too.

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17021670)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals rank #25. <a href="https://t.co/0Rlqtdbipg">https://t.co/0Rlqtdbipg</a></p>&mdash; Royals Review (@royalsreview) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsreview/status/1681416262079971328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 18, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 17021913)

I know this was TV, but I was flipping through Sirius/XM and caught Denny Matthews on PBP a few days ago. Man, he was the voice of the Royals growing up and I'll always appreciate that...but he's just fried.

In terms of rankings, it was a fan-based thing...but the Royals' announcers should get extra credit for having to endure and try to entertain this dumpster fire.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17021957)

I think the new guy is pretty fantastic. I've enjoyed him when I've caught him.

Denny just doesn't have much energy left in the tank.

Originally Posted by Al Bundy (Post 17023150)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3rd-rder Hiro Wyatt signs w/<a href="https://twitter.com/Royals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Royals</a> for $1,497,500 (pick 75 value = $960k). Connecticut HS RHP, fastball to 97 mph, slider might be an even better pitch, some Josiah Gray comps. Southern California recruit. <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBDraft?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBDraft</a> <a href="https://t.co/mZlp4m5WdW">pic.twitter.com/mZlp4m5WdW</a></p>&mdash; Jim Callis (@jimcallisMLB) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/1681869027272998912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 20, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17023002)

The Royals are featured on Immaculate Grid today!

https://www.immaculategrid.com

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17023273)

I missed only one today. Apparently Barry Bonds isn't thr .300 hitter for the Giants

Originally Posted by DJay23 (Post 17023328)

I missed one. Rarity score 392.

Didn't get Reds/Mets

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17023002)

The Royals are featured on Immaculate Grid today!

https://www.immaculategrid.com

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 17024020)

I didn't know this game existed.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17023304)

Nick Pratto is a bit baffling. I expected a little more power out of the guy and a little less contact. When I watch him play 1B he seems solid but def war seems to say otherwise. Maybe hes scared to whiff to much cuz he doesn't want to get sent down.

Originally Posted by poolboy (Post 17024097)

it seems like sometimes he goes for grounders too far to his right and then is out of position
He has made some plays the last couple of days though...very aggressive in the field
He is just holding it down for Vinnie, anyways

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17024093)

So Jim Bowden has the Royals trading Perez and Barlow to the Padres.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17024171)

I'm just completely skeptical. Not just because Salvy has control over being traded but all we've heard for years is how Salvy is overrated, pitch framing, doesn't walk, etc. and he has a massive contract on top of it.

The Royals are going to value him more over literally every other team. This almost 100% feels like a trade where you'd get some decent prospects but probably midrange guys, maybe a top 100 player if you're very lucky, and now you've traded your best player for lottery tickets and the fans are more angry than ever.

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 17024171)

I'm just completely skeptical. Not just because Salvy has control over being traded but all we've heard for years is how Salvy is overrated, pitch framing, doesn't walk, etc. and he has a massive contract on top of it.

The Royals are going to value him more over literally every other team. This almost 100% feels like a trade where you'd get some decent prospects but probably midrange guys, maybe a top 100 player if you're very lucky, and now you've traded your best player for lottery tickets and the fans are more angry than ever.

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17024610)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first High-A strikeout for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> no. 2 prospect, Ben Kudrna. You can see why he&#39;s among the best in the minors at creating swinging strikes. He&#39;s 12th in the entire MiLB (min. 60 IP) <a href="https://t.co/sMUgkvfaxp">pic.twitter.com/sMUgkvfaxp</a></p>&mdash; Preston Farr (@royalsminors) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsminors/status/1682182041134329857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17024617)

Well this is some good news at least.

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17024621)

Until you realize TNSTAAPP

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17024610)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first High-A strikeout for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> no. 2 prospect, Ben Kudrna. You can see why he&#39;s among the best in the minors at creating swinging strikes. He&#39;s 12th in the entire MiLB (min. 60 IP) <a href="https://t.co/sMUgkvfaxp">pic.twitter.com/sMUgkvfaxp</a></p>&mdash; Preston Farr (@royalsminors) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsminors/status/1682182041134329857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 21, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17024678)

How sweet would it be to have a KC kid become an ace

Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17024343)

Right. I don't think there's a return thats even feasibly possible that wouldn't be a PR nightmare.

Originally Posted by Fansy the Famous Bard (Post 17024947)

It was one strikeout.

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17026795)

Ever since I made that god damn post about BWJ he's been legit awful lol. This happened last time I made a post about him and when I made a post about Garcia being hot. I'm done with that shit.