I didn't say anything about him being just a guy. Scott Mitchell was just a guy. The guys I mentioned were just championship level guys who aren't in and shouldn't be in the conversation of greatest of all time. You're a fraud when it comes to knowing QB greatness (unless, of course, you get to do it in retrospect).

Holy shit.

LMAO


When the hell did I say I was some kind of QB guru who could identify greatness before a player starts his career?

How am I a fraud?

You should make this speech to the people around here who think they can predict QB greatness, not to me. You and I agree on this.

The part we don't agree on is whether the team has been trying. I thought they were trying when they traded for Matt Cassel. You seemed to prefer sticking with waiver-wire pickup, Tyler Thigpen. Since then, the front office has been filling all kinds of holes on this roster and they haven't really had many opportunities to take another shot at a QBoTF (as we can now see in hindsight). I still trust that the slow build toward multiple championships is the way to go, rather than the mortgage the future for a shot at a 1st round QB prospect or a late-career future Hall of Famer approach.

When did I say that Terry Bradshaw was "just a guy"?

Jesus ****, you're getting bent because of semantics?

My point is that Terry Bradshaw is never considered when discussing the all time greats, and I believe that is underating him tremendously.

He isn't in that discussion because he doesn't deserve to be in that discussion.

I have correctly identified the future HOF career of Ricky Stanzi before it happened, Pat.

Will you bestow upon me the title of QB Genious (cp spelling)?

Let's hope one of two things happen:

1) Quinn pulls a Len Dawson and the light bulb goes on. (They are the same age and the circumstances are eerily similar...or
2)Stanzi pulls a Tom Brady. The tools are there, and if he's the film rat that everyone says, it could happen.

Except that Dawson never really had a chance to play before being signed in KC.

#1 is where I would put my money. Watching Quinn A LOT in college I thought for certain he would be a player that would have a lot of success in the NFL year over year. He is intelligent, athletic, and has all the tools you would want in a starting QB including leadership. I thought he handled his draft slide just as well as Aaron Rodgers did and thought that Quinn was more of a complete QB than Rodgers coming out.

Hopefully if given an opportunity, KC can catch the "Len Lightning" again in Brady Quinn.
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Quinn has played in 12 games.

How do you define greatness?

Big numbers don't impress me.

Greatness, to me, is defined by what you do in the biggest moments, and no one delivered in big moments more consistently than Joe Montana, Bart Starr, and Terry Bradshaw.

And how many games did Lenny play in?

1?

1 on 1 with Quinn.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center...2-a5348b49acf2

In 5 years, with Pittsburg and Cleveland, Lenny started 2 games and attempted 35 passes.