Edward Olivares is such a dipshit

LMAO An Olivares highlight reel there. Fly ball to right and he leaves first full sprint and is halfway to 3rd base by the time it's caught. Not sure what happened there. Maybe he thought there were 2 outs.

I guess I don't know what the technical definition of ace or somewhere close but there are a few missing here. Degrom(Mets) Sale(white sox) Hammels(Phillies) Gallen(drafted by cards but traded in minors to dbacks) John Lester (Red Sox, 4 seasons with an era under 3) Dallas keuchel( Astros, cy young and 3 seasons under 3 era) Cueto(Reds) peavy(padres).

Regardless your last point still stands. It's actually pretty depressing to think about who is the second best starter we have drafted and developed. The runs in the playoffs had basically no starters except for Ventura, who we didn't draft but close enough, but even he wasn't actually as good as people remember. Lots of potential and some great outings but the world series win year he had an era over 4 and did the same the following year. If you take out Duffy's one amazing year he has a career era well over 4. I'm not sure we have had a pitcher who has posted 4 seasons with an era under 4 with the royals since greinke which is depressing.

Why does everyone always pick on Joco? What about Lee's Scummit and Blue Springs?

Here's my attempt at filling out your list with only guys drafted from 2002 onward:

Cardinals: Depends how you count Alcantara, Gallen
Cubs:
Astros: Keuchel
Phillies: Hamels, Nola
Blue Jays:
Diamondbacks:
Orioles: Arrieta
Red Sox: Lester
White Sox: Sale
Reds: Cueto
Rockies:
Angels (unless you count Ohtani): Jered Weaver
Twins:
Mets: Depends on how you count Wheeler. DeGrom.
Yankees: Depends on how you count Tanaka
Padres:
Rangers: C.J. Wilson (not counting Darvish)

Cole Ragans nice start. 6 innings, no runs, 8 K's.

Blanket statement: If they were traded and came up through another team's system, they don't count.

So of the 17 teams I identified as joining KC in the "No ace drafted and developed since 2002" club, I'd walk it back on the White Sox (Sale), Mets (Wheeler, deGrom), and Phillies (Hamels). There are a few guys who are questionable (Red Sox, Astros), but there's also the question of if we're counting from Greinke forward or not (which would drop the Red Sox and Phils back out for me).

And if you're holding it up to Greinke as a comparison, who should be a slam-dunk HoF player, I don't think there are many on that list who stack up to him.

Point being: If 1/2 the teams in a league aren't doing something, I don't think you can really critique the Royals for not doing it.

There's plenty of ammo elsewhere, though.

The bigger question would be what teams drafted and developed starting pitchers that had an impact on the roster for 5+ years above average starters (majority of arbitration years), which I think is more telling than drafting and developing a generational pitcher.

Using the Cardinals as reference, the only two guys they’ve had on the roster who fit that criteria since 2010 are Lynn and Flaherty.

The issue is the Royals don't do anything well so it's not like they can trade for someone else's pitcher.

Yeah. There are teams that are doing this well. The Marlins, Rays, Brewers, Dodgers, Mariners, Guardians, and Braves really stand out.

I'm still on team "find a way to steal talent from those orgs that can bring that draft and develop method to KC."

Next year should be a pretty telling one for what Paul Gibson and his team is doing.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In one month, the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> stretched Ragans back out as a starter, helped him to add velocity to his FB, helped him to add more spin, and now have helped him to develop a slider as a good fifth offering.<br><br>The pitching development is not what is used to be. Have said it all year. <a href="https://t.co/oNTlDyeZDS">https://t.co/oNTlDyeZDS</a></p>&mdash; Preston Farr (@royalsminors) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsminors/status/1686924994193047552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I don’t think you’ll see any noticeable change unless Picollo is gone as is the remnants of Moore’s reign.

It’s pretty impressive how good the 2014-2015 teams were given the unorthodox roster construction compared to the rest of the league. I think it’ll be hard for any team to repeat success like that.

FIVE STRAIGHT, HATERS

That would be 5 straight wins!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Kansas City Royals have the longest winning streak in Major League Baseball. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HEYHEYHEYHEY?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HEYHEYHEYHEY</a> <a href="https://t.co/n3H8OZWxFx">pic.twitter.com/n3H8OZWxFx</a></p>&mdash; Royals Farm Report (@RoyalsFarm) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoyalsFarm/status/1686931397632458752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Free Krispy Kremes for every one!

Royal Fan thought this team sucked /Pitt Gorilla

We may never lose again.

BREAK UP THE ROYALS. AGAIN.

Bobby dong

This is an epic tear hes been on and the progression we've all been looking for

Bobby Witt Jr is just on an absolute tear.

It seems that Bobby Witt took this thread's discussion about why he hadn't landed like a prospect of his caliber would be expected to land... personally.

He's .304/.336/.502 with 8 HR, 35 RBI, 21R, and 13 SB since June 1.

Those numbers climb to .327/.355/.617 with 6 HR, 23 RBI, 13 R, and 7 SB since July 1, which is around when that discussion really picked up. He also has drastically trimmed his K rate.

The June -current numbers, projected over 150 games, would look like this:

61R/23 HR/38 SB/101 RBI

July-current:

75R/34 HR/40 SB/133 RBI

Yeah. He's hot right now, but we could be seeing the superstar level unlock as we watch (maybe sometimes, if it's convenient and we're not too busy).

Massey and Bob just put on a web gem

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unreal. <a href="https://t.co/1dJqFmvNij">pic.twitter.com/1dJqFmvNij</a></p>&mdash; Anne Rogers (@anne__rogers) <a href="https://twitter.com/anne__rogers/status/1687179610541457408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The thing I noticed Bob's throw is similar to what I've seen Mahomes do. You can really tell Mahomes' baseball background.

Hopefully but no matter how good he is, it's more than, ask the Angels about that.

Waters dong

Will Bobby Witt Jr surpass Carlos Beltran as greatest Royal prospect to barely sniff a .500 record in his years with the Royals?

Man, the Mets are just rolling over. Getaway day, indeed.

It has been quite the ride for us Mets fans this year.

So happy they decided to do the re-tool rather than forcing it.

Jon Heasley rolling them back over

SIX STRAIGHT

Singer starting to put it together as well.

Oh, well aware.

But if Witt hits his upside, it moves the needle a lot.

A healthy Vinnie Pasquantino paired with this version of Witt is a pretty potent lineup core, especially if Maikel Garcia and Michael Massey continue to be solid contributors with the bat (Massey has been really good since May 1).

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Drew Waters somehow has a wRC+ around 90 which would theoretically make him the 12th best offensive CF in baseball if he qualified. Which he does not! But if he did. <br><br>Anyway. Isbel plays more CF so it’s moot but it’s also kind of intriguing? Carry on. 🚂 <a href="https://t.co/n0UmbAe8TF">https://t.co/n0UmbAe8TF</a></p>&mdash; Royals Farm Report (@RoyalsFarm) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoyalsFarm/status/1687186901483003904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why do you even follow the team? Nothing positive ever comes from your keyboard.

I haven't been following very closely, is Fermin the real deal or flash in a pan? How's his catching?

What do you want me to say they're an awful team with a bad system. Even if Witt develops into a star it'll take alot more.

Maikel Garcia is a major league baseball player! Probably even a good one!

That's what weird is I've watched some of those bad Royals teams, and you think of those years where our best players were literally guys like Emil Brown or Mark Redman. Witt, Salvy, Garcia, Vinnie, Singer, etc. are all just so much better than those guys. I still don't think this team should be this bad.

He is either Barry Bonds or Ken Harvey.

It is troubling they have the record they do, they shouldn't be that bad...

Break up the Royals

Bad starting pitching and 23 year Olds basically all being 23 year Olds.

I wanted Nick Pratto to be solid, but he has done some stupid shit in the field and on the bases and maybe even at the plate.

Starting to think that 6 game winning streak starting the game after Pratto goes on injured list is not a coincidence.

Drew Waters has been really good too. If he's at .725 OPS, then he's a pretty good piece too in CF. He's really coming along well with the bat over the last month+.

Yeah, Waters is becoming a guy I like seeing in the lineup. If he continues his progress, it really could be a solid core provided the other guys mentioned keep it up as well.

Which Ken Harvey?

I don't want to jinx this, but are we the best team in MLB? I mean, if we don't lose ever again, we finish the season at 87-75. That would only project to be about 8 games out of the last wildcard spot.

What has been the deal with Angel Zerpa? Could he be in the rotation moving forward? Seems to have been solid in his limited MLB time and in MiLB lately.

But would most likely win the division. Thinking of things that could have been. LMAO

If Bobby some how gets to 30 doubles, 10 triples, 30 HRs, and 50 SBs, then does he have a shot at MVP? That's never been done before in the history of the game.

No

MVP award is going to Anaheim

He's had injury issues, he may just be a reliever due to that.

Bobby is currently 48th in the AL in WAR. He has no chance.

Yeah that's 100% true. Ohtani is just on a different planet than the rest of the league. ****ing guy is absurd. So we aren't going to even include him, because it's not remotely fair.

Where are you getting that? He's tied with Kyle Tucker for 28th WAR in all of MLB.

Also If he finishes with those numbers then he went on a tear and probably finishes with a top 10 WAR.

They have 1 guy being a top pitcher and hitter...with another guy who many people think is the best player of a generation...and they suck as a team, they really know what they are doing out there.

Yeah, everyone bitches about the Royals being shit, but those mother****ers have wasted the careers of 2 of baseballs best players ever. I think Kauffman would burn to the ground if we did that.

Didn't sift for AL but if Bobby continues his play dont see why he couldn't be in top 10 down the road. Its just so difficult in this day and age for a guy that has one of the lowest walk rates in the league among good players

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/playe...WARBR/dir/desc

With the shift in thinking, guys get dinged pretty hard for not taking walks.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals Claim Joe Barlow <a href="https://t.co/xheIIXwOmK">https://t.co/xheIIXwOmK</a> <a href="https://t.co/PwOHX3LGeQ">pic.twitter.com/PwOHX3LGeQ</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1687518057319583757?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Royals are pretty serious about claiming every crappy pitcher they can.

There it is!! Jot this down: ChampionshipS mother ****ers!!!

Barlow has actually had success at multiple levels, including the big leagues. He's no world beater, but this isn't a bad move by any means. Especially for a team who has a horrible bullpen (like KC).

Oh and he was free.

I'm pretty sure it mainly leads into how this team has a very bare cupboard for pitching unless you want to discuss single A.

Unless you believe in guys like Will Klein, Jonathan Bowlan and Anthony Vwhatever there is nothing.

BWJ is now tied for 17th in WAR on Fangraphs. That's pretty exciting.

Joe Barlow is actually pretty ****ing decent. Surprising he was free.

not this year he aint

He's only pitched in 9 innings so far this year, so I wouldn't really judge his year based on that. 10/13 appearances he hasn't surrendered a run.

Crazy how guys like him sit out there and we're throwing out absolute trash.

looks like waters was scratched from the lineup

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have made the following roster moves: <a href="https://t.co/leOjH3Om1o">pic.twitter.com/leOjH3Om1o</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/1687554248026841089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Zerpa has been a baller in my mind ever since that Toronto covid series

Bobby has 20 dongs now

****ing Bobby Witt Jr. The man is playing possessed. Hitting .339 with a 1.009 OPS over the last month. He's got like 50ish more games to play, so just 1 HR every 5 days to get to 30. I think he gets 30 this year.

You can’t see it, but it’s numbered /125.

His stock is rising!

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Watching my first Royals game in a couple of weeks. Lt's hope this call holds up