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Hoover 08-31-2009 01:36 PM

I just got off the phone with Piloi. He thinks that Chan will quit, take a job in Seattle and then the Seahawks will trade 2 first round picks for Thigpen.

Quiet Storm 08-31-2009 01:36 PM

I understand Gailey was a hold over from last year. Honestly, did he have a lot to work with last year? Now that he is in Haley's system, he was going to run the offense in accordance to what Haley wanted, it wasn't as though Gailey was going to be calling plays that weren't in Hailey's playbook. Obviously, Hailey can do both (Norval does and does a good job) but with still a few weeks before the season, one would think they could have ironed out a few of the issue with them team.

Hailey begs to differ.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-31-2009 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 6018674)
I love it. Your HC is already using scapegoats because your offense sucks a55. I mean, really? The regular season hasn't even started.

Way to alienate the rest of your staff Einstein.

Who is this Sparkler Vagina, people?!

Have a hot plate of STFU.

BigRock 08-31-2009 01:44 PM

I bet this happened right after Gailey called the 3rd down redzone fade pass from Thigpen on Saturday, the 500th time he's dialed that up in the last year.

If not, it should have.

booger 08-31-2009 01:47 PM

from looney's blog
 
GAILEY RELEASES STATEMENT
August 31st – 2:46 PM

“There’s never great timing for situations like this. However, Todd has to do what’s best for the team and for the future of the Chiefs. I respect that. It didn’t work out for us, but I certainly think that he has a very fine offensive mind and I feel very fortunate to have worked for the Chiefs these past two years.

“I look forward to seeing how I might be able to help the franchise in the near future in other areas.”

Quiet Storm 08-31-2009 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots (Post 6018729)
Who is this Sparkler Vagina, people?!

Have a hot plate of STFU.

ROFL

over 7,000 posts in 3+ months?

Your mother breast fed you from a can.

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 6018745)
GAILEY RELEASES STATEMENT
August 31st – 2:46 PM

“There’s never great timing for situations like this. However, Todd has to do what’s best for the team and for the future of the Chiefs. I respect that. It didn’t work out for us, but I certainly think that he has a very fine offensive mind and I feel very fortunate to have worked for the Chiefs these past two years.

“I look forward to seeing how I might be able to help the franchise in the near future in other areas.”

Gailey is a stand up guy. A lot of dudes would tell the head coach to screw off and go find a job with another team if they wanted to demote them.

MMXcalibur 08-31-2009 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booger (Post 6018745)
GAILEY RELEASES STATEMENT
August 31st – 2:46 PM

“There’s never great timing for situations like this. However, Todd has to do what’s best for the team and for the future of the Chiefs. I respect that. It didn’t work out for us, but I certainly think that he has a very fine offensive mind and I feel very fortunate to have worked for the Chiefs these past two years.

“I look forward to seeing how I might be able to help the franchise in the near future in other areas.”

What an asshole. It makes me sick that we had someone like this on our team for the past couple years.

booger 08-31-2009 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018756)
Gailey is a stand up guy. A lot of dudes would tell the head coach to screw off and go find a job with another team if they wanted to demote them.

yep.

I imagine he will scout opponents for his salary he was to collect and then get back into coaching next year if that's what he wants.

Class act.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018756)
Gailey is a stand up guy.

I wouldn't go that far.

It's called "Not Burning Bridges".

The NFL is very small clique.

JuicesFlowing 08-31-2009 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 6017611)
If true, I'm not a fan of this. I thought Gailey did pretty well last year in terms of matching a system to the talents of his players.

I agree. If anything, they should have at least kept him for a few "real" games.

Quiet Storm 08-31-2009 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018771)
I wouldn't go that far.

It's called "Not Burning Bridges".

The NFL is very small clique.

I would have to agree with this assessment.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 01:59 PM

Why does everyone automatically expect Haley to be the one who fired him?? I want to know, was it Pioli, Clark, or Haley. The head coach firing an assistant by himself is very rare. Im sure it was up to Pioli or Clark. Haley may have given his advice and thoughts on Chan, and Scott let him go. Something like that. Haley doesnt have full power over the team.

OnTheWarpath15 08-31-2009 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 6018733)
I bet this happened right after Gailey called the 3rd down redzone fade pass from Thigpen on Saturday, the 500th time he's dialed that up in the last year.

If not, it should have.

This.

WilliamTheIrish 08-31-2009 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018771)
I wouldn't go that far.

It's called "Not Burning Bridges".

The NFL is very small clique.


Exactly. Gailey's statement is a very simple, very professional courtesy.

It let's everybody else know that he's a good soldier and won't burn colleagues.

MVChiefFan 08-31-2009 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 6018733)
I bet this happened right after Gailey called the 3rd down redzone fade pass from Thigpen on Saturday, the 500th time he's dialed that up in the last year.

If not, it should have.

Or the 4th and goal against the Vikings. You just can't hardly call that play anymore with the new out of bounds rule.

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:13 PM

We'll see how this goes, most first year head coaches that call plays end up realizing it's way to much of a workload for 1 guy to do.

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018863)
We'll see how this goes, most first year head coaches that call plays end up realizing it's way to much of a workload for 1 guy to do.

Haley is Shanahan 2.0!

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018870)
Haley is Shanahan 2.0!

Andy Reid does it too....I think he's the only guy still coaching that does.

The thing to be concerned with this is Haley is already showing extreme impatience and his idea to fix something is to put himself there. It's great that he thinks he can do it better but he's taking on a huge workload so you question burnout and if he can pay as close attention to everything as he should.

Hammock Parties 08-31-2009 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018883)
The thing to be concerned with this is Haley is already showing extreme impatience and his idea to fix something is to put himself there. It's great that he thinks he can do it better but he's taking on a huge workload so you question burnout and if he can pay as close attention to everything as he should.

Haley is Gunther 2.0!

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:19 PM

I assume it will only be this year most of the guys who've become head coach and called plays after 1 year decided they didn't want to do it anymore.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:21 PM

I just realized, Haley is the QB coach now too. ROFL

Its funny in strange way.

Coogs 08-31-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6018887)
Haley is Gunther 2.0!

Bite your tongue! Gunningham is a spineless prick.

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6018901)
I just realized, Haley is the QB coach now too. ROFL

Its funny in strange way.

It just comes off like he's trying to do far to much, he can't do it alone.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018916)
It just comes off like he's trying to do far to much, he can't do it alone.

Even Reid and Shanahan have (had) offensive coordinators. They just called the plays.

Chiefnj2 08-31-2009 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018771)
I wouldn't go that far.

It's called "Not Burning Bridges".

The NFL is very small clique.

I think it is called, "If I say anything they will try to fire or fine me for saying things detrimental to the team. If I keep quiet, I keep my paycheck."

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:25 PM

Yea Reid has always had an OC that designs the gameplan for him.

Chiefnj2 08-31-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018892)
I assume it will only be this year most of the guys who've become head coach and called plays after 1 year decided they didn't want to do it anymore.

At times you can judge a head coach by the coaches he surrounds himself with. Haley is 0-2 in the coordinator department.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018916)
It just comes off like he's trying to do far to much, he can't do it alone.

Thats probably whats funny about it. I think he can handle HC and OC. But throwing on QB coach on top of it all just sounds like too much.

We have a QB coach in training though. A guy named Nick Sirianni

Brock 08-31-2009 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018892)
I assume it will only be this year most of the guys who've become head coach and called plays after 1 year decided they didn't want to do it anymore.

He probably won't be doing it next year, because he'll probably hire an OC of his own choosing as soon as possible.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:28 PM

Luckily Todd is a hard worker. I dont think he will get lazy and not want to gameplan correctly.

Herm could have never been a HC and DC at the same time.

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6018945)
He probably won't be doing it next year, because he'll probably hire an OC of his own choosing as soon as possible.

Then the question begs itself...why now instead of when he was hired?

Brock 08-31-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018956)
Then the question begs itself...why now instead of when he was hired?

I suspect it was because he was told he had to keep Gailey.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6018931)
I think it is called, "If I say anything they will try to fire or fine me for saying things detrimental to the team. If I keep quiet, I keep my paycheck."

I don't buy that.

Chan Gailey is 57 years old. He knows by now the politics involved in working the NFL.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018956)
Then the question begs itself...why now instead of when he was hired?

A think a reported salary in excess of $1 million dollars factored into the decision of initially retaining Gailey.

Chiefnj2 08-31-2009 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6018960)
I don't buy that.

Chan Gailey is 57 years old. He knows by now the politics involved in working the NFL.

Politics = shut up and I can keep my paycheck.

Plus, he's got the NCAA to fall back on.

Micjones 08-31-2009 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018956)
Then the question begs itself...why now instead of when he was hired?

I suppose they wanted to take the "wait and see" approach, but I'm not sure what they really learned about him during pre-season games that don't count for anything.

This is VERY curious timing. Especially when you have just 1 week left before you need to start scheming for Game 1. This isn't a great time to move someone over to the role. I'm guessing that'll be Carthon (as a figurehead OC).

Maybe they had a big blow up?

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-31-2009 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quiet Storm (Post 6018747)
ROFL

over 7,000 posts in 3+ months?

Your mother breast fed you from a can.

Impressive isn't it?! I've actually posted the DOUBLED number of your known brain-cells, Corky!

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6018959)
I suspect it was because he was told he had to keep Gailey.

I doubt this was it... Pioli and Belichick are based off of hiring guys that jell with coaches around eachother. Pioli would have never made Haley keep Gailey if they disagreed and had different theorys.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6018974)
I doubt this was it... Pioli and Belichick are based off of hiring guys that jell with coaches around eachother. Pioli would have never made Haley keep Gailey if they disagreed and had different theorys.

Obviously, you don't understand the concept of multi-million dollar guaranteed contracts.

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:32 PM

The reason it's a big deal is teams don't fire coaches 2 weeks before the season, it just doesn't make much sense.

If he didn't want him he should have said he wouldn't take the job if Gailey was forced on him, when past coaches had assistants forced on them people said they were pussies and idiots for taking that.

Brock 08-31-2009 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6018974)
I doubt this was it... Pioli and Belichick are based off of hiring guys that jell with coaches around eachother. Pioli would have never made Haley keep Gailey if they disagreed and had different theorys.

Well, it's just speculation either way.

Brock 08-31-2009 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018977)
If he didn't want him he should have said he wouldn't take the job if Gailey was forced on him

ROFL And maybe never get another opportunity ever again.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018956)
Then the question begs itself...why now instead of when he was hired?

I think he just wanted to give Gailey a chance. He felt, at the time Gailey is a nice OC to have. They gave hime a chance through 3 preseason games, they didnt like the 33 total points weve scored, so they canned him.

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6018990)
ROFL And maybe never get another opportunity ever again.

Didn't people say Herm was a pussy cause he let Gunther be forced on him?

Why's Haley get a break if he did the same thing?

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6018993)
I think he just wanted to give Gailey a chance. He felt, at the time Gailey is a nice OC to have. They gave hime a chance through 3 preseason games, they didnt like the 33 total points weve scored, so they canned him.

I guarantee you, it goes a lot deeper than that.

Clark Hunt was on the hook for $1 million dollars plus to Chan Gailey. I'm positive that there were discussions with both Haley & Pioli about their ability and willingness to work with Gailey. Haley was likely asked to at least give it a go with Gailey, for the sake of Hunt's pocketbook but was also likely to have the option of final say.

Haley gave it a go and it wasn't working for him. End of story.

Brock 08-31-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018997)
Didn't people say Herm was a pussy cause he let Gunther be forced on him?

Why's Haley get a break if he did the same thing?

What people on the internet say about him is irrelevant. Pretty much nobody is going to be able to dictate to an NFL team the particulars of the job, unless you're a veteran coach with a track record.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6018981)
Well, it's just speculation either way.

Whats speculation? Im stating a fact about how the Patriots run their business.

keg in kc 08-31-2009 02:38 PM

I'd say the fact that Gailey just got fired may be an indication that he might not have been forced on Haley to start with.

DeezNutz 08-31-2009 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018997)
Didn't people say Herm was a pussy cause he let Gunther be forced on him?

Why's Haley get a break if he did the same thing?

Because he ultimately got him out, however late it might be.

At least Pioli and Hunt were amendable to the possibility of doing anything to help their HC be successful.

Brock 08-31-2009 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019005)
Whats speculation? Im stating a fact about how the Patriots run their business.

No, you're not. You're stating an opinion about the state of affairs between Haley and Gailey.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6019006)
I'd say the fact that Gailey just got fired may be an indication that he might not have been forced on Haley to start with.

I think this is how it was. I dont think he was forced either way. Thats not how things work if Pioli is trying to duplicate the patriot way.

Brock 08-31-2009 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6019006)
I'd say the fact that Gailey just got fired may be an indication that he might not have been forced on Haley to start with.

It's an indication that he got the okay to get rid of him NOW, not what happened 6 months ago.

doomy3 08-31-2009 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6018997)
Didn't people say Herm was a pussy cause he let Gunther be forced on him?

Why's Haley get a break if he did the same thing?

Refresh my memory if Herm fired Gunther at any point.

Mecca 08-31-2009 02:42 PM

Well if you think back Clark was consistently overly complimentary of Herm and Gailey which could have easily had alot to do with how much money he still owed them...

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6019018)
No, you're not. You're stating an opinion about the state of affairs between Haley and Gailey.

I dont see where I stated an opinion on the post you quoted other than when I disagreed with you. I stated a fact about how the patriots run their business. I know what they do.

Brock 08-31-2009 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019040)
I dont see where I stated an opinion on the post you quoted other than when I disagreed with you. I stated a fact about how the patriots run their business. I know what they do.

Yeah, you "know what they do". ROFL

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6019030)
Well if you think back Clark was consistently overly complimentary of Herm and Gailey which could have easily had alot to do with how much money he still owed them...

So how much money was Gailey guaranteed when he was hired? Does anyone know this?

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6019042)
Yeah, you "know what they do". ROFL

Ive studied the patriots philosophies for a while now. No, im not in the meeting rooms, but I also know how their business works. Especially with coaches.

Bane 08-31-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019046)
So how much money was Gailey guaranteed when he was hired? Does anyone know this?

TOO FUGGN MUCH!!!!:cuss:

Brock 08-31-2009 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019052)
Ive studied the patriots philosophies for a while now. No, im not in the meeting rooms, but I also know how their business works. Especially with coaches.

I doubt you know anymore about it than anyone else here. It's really an irrelevant discussion of what you think you know. It's not interesting enough to continue.

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6019059)
I doubt you know anymore about it than anyone else here. It's really an irrelevant discussion of what you think you know. It's not interesting enough to continue.

lol, thats ok, you dont need to agree with me or anything. Ill just state what I know, and continue with my own knowledge.

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6019059)
I doubt you know anymore about it than anyone else here. It's really an irrelevant discussion of what you think you know. It's not interesting enough to continue.

He's freaking 19 years old

Bane 08-31-2009 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6019071)
He's freaking 19 years old

Enough said.Talk to us when you can drink beer beyotch!!!!

DaneMcCloud 08-31-2009 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019046)
So how much money was Gailey guaranteed when he was hired? Does anyone know this?

In excess of $1 million dollars

KCrockaholic 08-31-2009 02:51 PM

Whats funnier is that you guys all believe what you read in peoples profiles.

Mr. Arrowhead 08-31-2009 02:52 PM

Chan this is for you

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Brock 08-31-2009 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019070)
lol, thats ok, you dont need to agree with me or anything. Ill just state what I know, and continue with my own knowledge.

You do that, it appears to be taking you on a long trip to the middle.

Kyle DeLexus 08-31-2009 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life (Post 6019052)
Ive studied the patriots philosophies for a while now. No, im not in the meeting rooms, but I also know how their business works. Especially with coaches.

Cool, I've also read Patriot Reign!


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