A few concerns:

Obviously LT but that has been touched on by everyone.

I don't think people see it, but our WR's weren't getting open either. hollywood brown will probably not be coming back.

WR: Rashee Rice
WR: Xavier Worthy
WR: Deandre Hopkins

Looks nice, but Rice is coming back from an ACL tear and the majority of players always seem to need one full year to get back to their normal style of playing. I pray im wrong and he comes back firing but who knows...

Xavier Worthy had flashes, but he still only netted us 630 yards while we lost our #1 guy early in the season.

Deandre Hopkins really never BLEW up like the old hopkins and had 430 yards in 10 games played...

I am concerned about WR play.

Moving on to TE, Kelce looks slowwwwwwwwwww and if Noah Gray isn't getting more touches then he can't be much better since Kelce is a pass catching TE.

RB? A guy that was sitting on the couch came in and took 50% of the touches when Pacheco came back. Both RB's finished under 4 ypc, and while i attribute that to the O-line, it's still concerning...

Those are my biggest concerns with the offense, so practically every position but QB.

And Cam Robinson fits that mold almost exactly.

Tyron Smith had a solid season this year… not sure if that is replicable given his age/injury history.

Rice did not tear his ACL.

Similar they say.

Absolutely not. He tore his LCL which most experts said would heal to 100% without issues.

You sing Humphries and let Kingsley Develop. You cut some waste this off-season and next. If Kingsley hasn't shown the growth you make a move on a vet next year. The options are shit and this makes the most sense. Reactionaryplanet wont like hearing it though.

in 26 Kolton Miller is up, Slater is up and Rainmann is up. 5th year players that would be trade able are Cross, Ekwonu and Penning.

Probably unpopular opinion but I wasn't that impressed by Holywood. Good start and then he really felt anonymous. If he came back at roughly the same cost I'd still be happy with him as a WR3, that's a good group. But if he wants a decent amount more I won't be upset if he leaves.

This whole thread is kind of pointless, because after what just happened to Patrick AGAIN in the Super Bowl AGAIN, there should be no expense spared, both player/draft pick wise or salary wise, to acquire the absolute best LT that possibly comes available this offseason in their eyes. There is no discussion. Get the best goddamn left tackle there is. I don't even care if you have to trade McDuffie like was suggested, just ****ing do it.

This franchise needs to be very careful how they move forward. Pat just saw what's possible when you have a GM and owner who are actually willing to do whatever it takes to put the absolute best team on the field, and just what kind of team could still be built if this franchise was handling things the way they should instead of using Pat as their crutch to cover the countless warts he has for 5 years now. He's going to be 30 soon, and enough is enough.

ok.

It was the entire O-line, not just LT tbh. but I get your point.

We spent two years of Mahomes prime making him throw to practice squad WR's or this year with a OL that could not block.

I'm not sure I can stomach the entirety of the All 22 but early in the game the left side of the line was worse than anything else in the field. Thuney's back was hitting Mahomes on every other play it seemed like. I think the o line as a whole had issues but the LT/LG situation was just a disaster.

Yea totally wasted two years of Mahomes prime winning a SB and going to another!

I think this is a little extreme. Yeah do better but its not like there hasn't been an effort. They've invested a 2,3,2 traded a 1 with kick back for obj, tried to pay him more than he got on the open market, tried to trade for Trent Williams and haven't had a viable first round tackle option even where they've traded up. There's a lot more to it than just go get a good one. The best ones have all been developed maybe 1 in 10 start day one and are "Good". What they need to do is get Kinsley to Duke Mannywether right ****ing now and hope for improvement before FA and the draft. The kid has the size he was just mentally overwhelmed.

somehow we are wasting his prime years by going to the AFC championship game every year since he became the starter while acquiring 3 superbowl rings.

Some people are so spoiled at our success as a franchise.

Reading comprehension not your strong suit.


Don't put words in my mouth.

What is pointless are your childish rants.

Be better.

I think some people think he should be throwing for 5400 yards and 55+ TD's every year.

The folks on CP who were worried about Humphries not getting snaps at LT during practice before the super bowl were spot on...I didn't think it would be THAT bad. I thought it was going to be close but we would pull it out in the end.

You can win with a an offensive roster, a balanced roster, and a defensive roster.


Glad we won 2 of the last 3 SB's with a defensive roster. But I don't think Veach wanted to make the offense this weak.

It just naturally happened.

I think it's time to recalibrate and build up the offense because scoring points relieves a lot of pressure on the defense. It's hard to play defense when your offense goes 15-16 drives without a TD (last year) or can't get a drive going in a first half (this year).

Yup. Robinson will be risky based on cost vs ROI. If folks are not happy with Taylor based on what he’s being paid, I am not so sure that they will be pleased with Robinson.

Gaining more than 24 yards of total offense in the first half… not an unreasonable expectation.

Not going 16 straight offensive possessions without scoring a TD… not an unreasonable expectation.

The Chiefs offense has been mediocre during the past two seasons despite having Mahomes in the prime of his career.

They were able to overcome their offensive struggles with an elite defense last year.

Just need a good O-line and a good defense, Mahomes will elevate everyone else if we give him that...

There's a reason they say that with enough time, WR's eventually get open no matter what... The problem is, most QB's only get like 2-3 seconds to throw the ball, Mahomes was getting no seconds.

I too would love to see a high-powered offense that just outscores everyone like Mahomes' first year, or Manning with the Broncos, but the reality is that defense typically wins you the championship, and that was on full display by the eagles last weekend regardless if our O-line was shit.

Easier said than done. You don't want to give away too much capital to move up into the Top 10 of the Draft. And even if you do that, there is a serious risk the guy will be a mega bust. Eric Fisher was a #1 overall Draft pick and never really lived up to the hype, even though he was a solid player and Mahomes trusted him.

I don't think they will have great options through free agency or trading to get a veteran player either. You'll end up overpaying for a dude that isn't great (another Jawaan Taylor) or has injury baggage that might blow up in your face (DJ Humphries, Ronnie Stanley/Cam Robinson??).

Maybe they just need to get lucky with Kingsley or Wanya or some other draft pick magically turning into a solid guy at this position. The team has had its share of bad luck at this position ever since Eric Fisher's injury. Maybe one of these days their luck will turn around.

I don't think Robinson fixes anything. If Joe Thuneys slow losses aren't cutting it Robinsons not a huge upgrade. He's a little better against outside speed but you sure wont see the bang for the buck.

Couldn't agree more, we need to get back to that high flying, death defying offensive style from Mahomes first 3-4 years

We didn't have "great" defenses those years, but it didn't matter because we were almost scoring at will and no one could keep up

All true, but realistically the reason its overlooked is because we win the games that matter, against other teams that are typically high scoring offenses, so we don't necessarily discuss them as a fan base.

Weve also been taking WR's with our 1st round picks so its not like the FO doesn't think we don't need to empower the offense.

And NFL rules favor offense as well as the build accentuates our best player.


Yes, Mahomes was an incredible game manager. But let's not do that again till he's far older.

Nobody has to put words in your mouth. You've been doing this shit for 3 years, you just conveniently moved the goalposts from WR to include OT to paint your narrative now.

I'm gonna bet we end up throwing numbers at it, because yeah the other options just don't look great unless some team unloads a reliable guy because they got a gem in the draft or a free agent they simply like better

Bring Humphries back, Kingsley, some mid FA looking for a fresh start etc... it'll be something like that IMO

I don't know how a supposed man that is as much a pussy as you are survives hearing opinions that aren't pure cheerleading on a message board.


LMAO

The main problem the past two years is neglecting key positions on offense with the assumption that Mahomes + Andy’s schemes can make it work.

The WR position in 2023 when they went into the season with Toney and Skyy Less at the top of their depth chart.

The LT position this past year, when they went into the season with two unproven players who both ended up being completely unplayable in the postseason.

Drafting a LT prospect in the 2nd round is not neglect. Maybe incompetence but definitely not neglect.

In both cases, the major problem I had was Veach not also signing some cheap vets as backup.


Sure it would be nice if Sky Moore or Kadarius Toney becomes a #1 WR. But hope isn't a plan.

Same with drafting Kingsley a guy that was super raw coming out and not signing a vet LT.

I wouldn’t say it’s an assumption. It’s worked at about the highest level that anything works.

Chiefs won the Super Bowl in 2023 with an elite defense and the offense doing just enough.

Chiefs went 15-1 in 2024 and went to the Super Bowl.

Sounds like things are working pretty well.

Not having a veteran back-up option is neglect.

And Wanya Morris as a 2nd year player who was bad as a rookie in his limited playing time at LT, doesn’t qualify as a veteran back-up.

Donovan Smith
Tyron Smith
Cornelius Lucas
Duane Brown
DJ Humphries
Charles Leno
David Bakhtiari
Trent Brown
Yosh Nijman
Andria Peat
Josh Jones
Matt Peart
Andre Dillard

None of the assholes would have done shit for us

Robinson has the type of injury history that makes it a pretty big risk to pay him big money. Same thing on Ronnie Stanley. At least Stanley has the higher upside. If you get lucky and he stays healthy, you’re in a billion times better spot than what we just witnessed in the 2024 season. Of course I think Baltimore might just keep Stanley and take that injury risk in their own right.

The only thing that is going to fix anything is firing Nagy and finding a young OC who uses presnap motion to optimize our outside speed and to get a viable running back + run blockers. We saw some good things against Buffalo but 20 other games of complete incompetency relative to talent disposal.

Firing Nagy accomplishes virtually nothing if he isn't replaced by actual new blood. This offense is Andy's and until he's willing to hire someone that will question him, it's not gonna change.

You can only do what you can do.

I'm not sure I'd go overly crazy and trade a bunch of resources for a T, unless it's a vet that needs a new deal.

Probably true. I will say Doug Pederson might be able to help. Playcaller in a Super Bowl win against Belichick’s defense.

Yeah.

Anyone who is rooting for drastic scheme or system changes to the offense is actually rooting for Reid to retire.

That’s the only way we see major changes.

I, btw, do not want that. A few changes at a few key spots without other spots majorly falling off is what we need.

I'm not hip on Pederson. I think we need someone from outside the tree. A guy like Kingsbury, who has been a head coach, would be great to me.

Did you watch the super bowl? Reid was the guy with the call sheet...

I don't think the Ravens resign Ronnie Stanley. If they don't.....I'd sprint to that agent.

They reworked Stanley's deal last offseason when they were discussing cutting him, he played every game now is a FA.

That usually ends in letting him walk. If so....yeah, I'd easily let Trey Smith walk and sign Stanley.

The problem with Stanley is that he's older, has an injury history, and will instantly be the best LT available if they let him go.

I'm not sure I want to be part of that bidding war.

Do you honestly believe Nagy does absolutely nothing? Have you listened to any of the micd ups where Nagy is giving input to play calls? What kind of conversations do you think Nagy is having with Mahomes? Is he a quarterback coach?

Chiefs had the 1st or 2nd most efficient and explosive offense(YPP) in Mahomes first FIVE YEARS without Nagy. That included the year where his receivers WERE DEAD MEAT and had the highest drop percentage in the NFL. Now our offense is the 22nd most efficient in the league and 9th last year. Our defense has been carrying us and now you’re about to figure out just how hard they were as we start to lose some of them.

Make it make sense.

Whatever you think or don’t think Nagy is doing. It’s poison.

He's 31.

Is what it is. If you want a legit LT, cost is the cost.

Yeah.... people are going to bring up the injury concerns, but that's a deal you gotta make. Put this nightmare away. LTs age well for the most part.

He's just always been hurt.

But other than that....I dunno what they'll do. Bandaid it again and draft I guess.

You bitched about how they were winning for the entire 3peat attempt. Everybody saw it. No need to pretend you didn't.

Except for Eric Fisher. Done at age 30. Horrible luck for KC at this position.

He’s poison dude. Anyone else would literally be an instant improvement.

Getting a guy like Mike Lafleur, Zack Robinson, or Kingsbury would be a home run. Sell them on being the guy after Andy.

The old guard of the NFL is changing with many OC quickly moving up to HC. The game is changing. Our offense hasn’t been good for 2 years. Our defense is not going to get better, it’s going to get worse. Adapt or die.

At this point he’s most likely the best option while hoping he stays healthy.

If they fire Nagy and hire a guy like Pederson, nothing will change. Nagy is not poison. He's a yes man. Like most of the guys here have been. Andy needs a dissenting voice and soon.

And it’s going to be a lot of “buck” for him, especially if his agent knows that KC’s desperate.

Well good thing you’re not the GM because that would be a reerun move in a draft class like this one with no clear cut top 10 guy.

The only potential superstar is Membou at guard, so ya safe to say we won’t be mortgaging our entire future capital to get a guy who could be just as good as the guy available at 31.

What if he wants a contract 25% larger than Taylor? I'm not giving a guy with his injury history that kind of money. That has the potential to not only **** up next season but seasons in the future.

It’s not necessarily bad luck as much as it’s KC being the victim of their own success. They haven’t drafted lower than 28 in the Mahomes era. Cornerstone LTs are always drafted before them unless someone hits a gold mine later.

Was Beinemy a yes man?

Why has it gone from the #1 offense for 5 years straight to outside of the top 20.

You realize Nagy track record before KC is identical to what’s happening now. The scientific evidence is in my side, but it seems the general consensus is adamantly different.

Like what evidence do all of you people have for Nagy having net zero impact on play calls, designs, and game plans? What’s your source?

Baltimore was able to get Stanley to take a paycut recently, which is interesting. I'm kind of expecting him to stay in Baltimore on a home town discount, similar to the paycut he already agreed to.

I don’t know. He didn’t play a full season once in this last big contract until the final year.
You’re going to throw a lot of money into a guy who maybe plays half the year and your right back where you started.
I agree talent wise it’s a no brainier. It’s just hard to trust him

The HOF greatest TE of all time got old and the HOF top 10 all time WR in his prime got traded.

My question is what better options are there? Humphries with an offseason? Or hope Kingsley year two is significantly better than rookie Kingsley?

You guys are wanting a perfect solution to the LT problem.

I'm offering the best available solution.

They're all gonna have big red warts unless you luck into a great pick or Suamataia miraculously becomes good.

Stanley has had health issues, Cam Robinson can get beat badly in a way that might be a disaster, Humphries is unproven. You're just not in a great spot to check all the boxes but what I do know is Mahomes would trust Stanley with his life back there.

Hey. Guess what. Tyreek wasn’t on the team in 2022. Still the the number one offense in YPP. WITH the highest drop percentage in the entire NFL and a crackhead as WR1.

We are now the 22nd best offense in the league and played like it on Sunday.

Getting the point yet?

Because defenses have evolved, some of them specifically to counter MAHOMES. I firmly believe these last couple of years would have been identical to what we saw, even with Bienemy. They need new blood.

I honestly don't have a good answer because I've looked at all the options and none of them seem all that great.

At the end of the day, I would bet that Kingsley or a draft pick like him is eventually the LT. I have no idea how we get there, though

Put me in coach. I’m ready

Or…hear me out here. Nagy is just a colossal failure piggybacking off a great defense just like he was at Chicago.

I’m not saying bring Beinemy back. I of course want new blood as well. What you say is true and we need a new mind with new ideas to maximize the rest of our opportunity. But it still doesn’t change the fact that Nagy is literally kryptonite. He would be getting no less production out of Carson Wentz as Mahomes, that’s the problem. Mahomes is a pure gunslinger and it’s just not a fit.

I mean it honestly doesn’t matter because I already know how this plays out. They can’t maintain this level of defense with the personnel we are going to lose. Eventually you will come around and see how bad it really is.

There’s no way a guy like Nagy is going to just all of a sudden learn the meta of the NFL and start incorporating the pre-snap motion and RPO concepts we need to have to get our offense to be explosive again.

Unfortunately I’m very confident next year is going to be very disappointing.

I don't know what to tell you man. It's not Nagy's offense, it's Andy's.

Shocking that an offense relying on Kareem, Hopkins, Kelce and Juju this year didn’t look explosive.

I can only wonder why.

Super Bowl LV didn't include Matt Nagy.

I just don't know why we try to pin all the blame on the OC and never any of the credit.

There were people BEGGING for them to fire EB after the 2021 AFCCG vs. Cincy.

That is so ****ing slow.

If not for Worthy and eventually Brown, that's the slowest O in the league.

Said it all year when people were wanting to lean on the running game. This offense was not explosive.

What about a possible trade for Jake Matthews from Atlanta?

Older player who just turned 33 years old, but very durable… he’s started every game since 2015.

With Penix as a left handed QB, maybe the Falcons would be looking to reduce their investment at left tackle?