Oh no question, but your hit rate on those is like 25% so your bargain signings are gonna need to come in a bundle and you'd better be willing to write off a large portion of them.

You just can't sign a guy like Kelly and think "There we go; 200 innings of 3.25 ERA..."

You sign 4 guys like Kelly and think "Okay, I might get a 5th starter and a swing reliever out of that lot" and hope you beat that.

Makes sense. We show up for baseball...not just for the coastal match up. KC loves the Chiefs, but remains a strong baseball town.

It depends on the organization making the move and thought process behind it though.

Some bargain moves have very little upside above the floor, that are a complete waste of money. If the Royals signed Corey Kluber for $3 million plus incentives, I would rip the move from the start. That's not the type of bargain move I am advocating for.

You know when you see them, like Robert Suarez signing with the Padres a couple of years ago. Merrill Kelly was realistically supposed to be fifth starter/swing man, but it was one of those moves that got the Fangraphs/Baseball Prospectus sites talking because it was intriguing and people saw upside in Kelly.

Before the 2020 season, the Giants signed Kevin Gausman for one year, $9 million. He had a higher ceiling and now he's a perennial Cy Young candidate. Those are the moves I want the Royals to make, not paying for an obvious shit pitcher who is a lost cause like Madison Bumgarner.

I wonder if the Royals will kick the tires on Frankie Montas again. He could be a buy low, boom type now.

I agree. I haven't seen them throw numbers at the problem really - and you need to. I mean there isn't a lot of great options this off season FA wise... I could be talked into a Seth Lugo type, because he's versatile... but it's really a thin market. I would imagine they ship out a young guy or two for some arms.

Haven't seen anyone mention it but I did notice the Royals put out the promotions for next year's schedule. Definitely a lot of things to celebrate the 10th anniversary of 2014.

Most interesting thing is unless I missed something there are no bobbleheads or any kind of items that involve Salvy. Leaving that door open to trade him I imagine.

What are the goals for 2024? Are we talking about a Gil Meche type signing goal? Or is it more along the lines of a James Shields trade? Or perhaps a Volquez type signing? What are we trying to do? The answer to that question will limit us on what pitchers we look into.

I think the Ervin Santana and Jeremy Guthrie type route would be my guess. Or that would be the direction I would go towards. Look at teams shedding payroll or a project. Just some average starting pitching would do wonders for this team.

I can get on board with that. While our bullpen is different from back then, I am encouraged by signs that we are about 2-3 years behind the Rangers run, just like last time. A Santana and Guthrie type would be golden for moving forward.

all I know is we should be able to do better than Jordan Lyles for 8mill per

Id rather have mahomes try to pitch than lyles, again.

****ing waste of oxygen.

He was EXACTLY who we thought he was.

We need to try to win next year. Sign some pitchers and an OF. Lets give it a whirl

Divisional rival news

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Introducing our newest Tiger! <br><br>We have acquired OF Mark Canha from Milwaukee, in exchange for Minor League RHP Blake Holub. <a href="https://t.co/cPml61DDIC">pic.twitter.com/cPml61DDIC</a></p>&mdash; Detroit Tigers (@tigers) <a href="https://twitter.com/tigers/status/1720852462532198742?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Eduardo Rodriguez has opted out of his contract with the Tigers, per <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JonHeyman</a> <br><br>He had three years and $49 million left on his deal. He&#39;s now a free agent <a href="https://t.co/1eKN9FzY7v">pic.twitter.com/1eKN9FzY7v</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1720862103806882289?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We mourn the passing of Dick Drago, a member of the inaugural 1969 Royals, and send our condolences to his family and loved ones. <a href="https://t.co/YPLpGmHGaR">pic.twitter.com/YPLpGmHGaR</a></p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/1720841733716521356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yoshinobu Yamamoto just pitched a complete game on 138 pitches in his last start before becoming an MLB free agent<br><br>He had 14 strikeouts, breaking Yu Darvish&#39;s Japan Series record <a href="https://t.co/SleSD0Kl4c">pic.twitter.com/SleSD0Kl4c</a></p>&mdash; Talkin’ Baseball (@TalkinBaseball_) <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1720782554402541606?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NPB&#39;s Orix Buffaloes Approve Posting Of Yoshinobu Yamamoto <a href="https://t.co/eZaQV3n1Il">https://t.co/eZaQV3n1Il</a> <a href="https://t.co/CTPIEbvD0W">pic.twitter.com/CTPIEbvD0W</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1721169128130482265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

One guy that could be a sleeper is Erick Fedde, who won the KBO's equivalent of the Cy Young. He's a former top prospect with the Washington Nationals, so he checks off the talent box, too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pete Bendix is leaving as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rays?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Rays</a> GM to take over as head of baseball operations for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Marlins?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Marlins</a>. Could be announced as soon as Monday morning. <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ken_Rosenthal</a> reported Bendix was leading candidate and had informed Rays staff</p>&mdash; Marc Topkin (@TBTimes_Rays) <a href="https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Rays/status/1721306682473484798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 5, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

More division rival news...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We believe in Stephen Vogt.<br><br>We have hired Stephen Vogt as the 45th manager in franchise history.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForTheLand?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForTheLand</a> <a href="https://t.co/OA9WfVy0Vr">pic.twitter.com/OA9WfVy0Vr</a></p>&mdash; Cleveland Guardians (@CleGuardians) <a href="https://twitter.com/CleGuardians/status/1721565605785145828?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Am I missing something or is he about as unproven as possible? I get it happens more these days, but I'll go with this will benefit the Royals. I'll update my last prior prediction and now go with the Royals only losing 94 games next year.

You're not missing something. He's replacing a future Hall of Fame manager and yes, he's unproven as possible even though Vogt had a good reputation for being a savvy clubhouse guy while playing.

Hope it's a good sh1t

Great... now we need to merge with that Kohl's thread.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals Outright Nate Eaton <a href="https://t.co/nD5CNaaSry">https://t.co/nD5CNaaSry</a> <a href="https://t.co/1gS64wVVvP">pic.twitter.com/1gS64wVVvP</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1722642123508404258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Royals need to get in on Trevor Bauer

lock up your daughters....

"Rich athlete ****s bimbos - news at 11..."

Bauer's a 3rd rail but he shouldn't be. He ****ed a crazy girl and about 90% of the shit reported about it appears to be completely fabricated based on information that's since surfaced.

I agree, it was a failed joke...back to the drawing board for material

I was going to say. We need to be in this demand market for him.

Mookie Betts, who has as good of a reputation as anybody in the game, got roasted by the media nut jobs for saying he was open to bringing Trevor Bauer back.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Really <a href="https://twitter.com/mookiebetts?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@mookiebetts</a>?? Come on. What a slap in the face to me and every other sexual assault survivor out there. <br><br>Such a ****ing disappointment. Be better.<br><br>Mookie Betts Offers Ringing Endorsement of Former Dodgers Teammate Trevor Bauer<a href="https://t.co/sDETxtWjH8">https://t.co/sDETxtWjH8</a></p>&mdash; Emily Bartekoske ��️*����️*����️*�� (@CubsEmily) <a href="https://twitter.com/CubsEmily/status/1719545530764710114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">never meet your heroes</p>&mdash; Bill Baer (@Baer_Bill) <a href="https://twitter.com/Baer_Bill/status/1719158464314745247?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 31, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What this sexual assault survivor wants Mookie Betts to know <a href="https://t.co/4Ygnxis0bk">https://t.co/4Ygnxis0bk</a></p>&mdash; Deadspin (@Deadspin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/1719756458022277221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was one of now four allegations against him. I'd prefer to let him sort those out on his own before brining him to town.

I feel pretty bad for the guy. We really should get Rabble in here to give us all advice on Bauer's situation.

Nevermind saw the other allegations lol. I like that in his video he acts like he's never been through an initial restraining order hearing, but according to the other reports he has been through those previously.

He is a third rail ...public perception..he is gonna get people riled up wherever he goes or doesnt

Interesting note here. Royals were going after Mark Canha who was a solid corner OF bat for Milwaukee during their playoff chase.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GM Meetings Insider: Will Phillies trade Castellanos? Plus items on Mark Canha, the Royals, and Ben Cherington on Craig Breslow’s new role <a href="https://t.co/cCnIAcztdm">https://t.co/cCnIAcztdm</a></p>&mdash; Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) <a href="https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1722630354643906690?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 9, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Brewers are open for business. I think I would see if I could get Brandon Woodruff from them. His value is low with the shoulder injury to miss most of this season and with him hitting free agency. I think he would be a solid buy low project.

Saw the Canha news, we must not have offered much... they gave him away.

I like that they are looking at OBP... because its 2023 and we should have been doing so for 20 years...but alas Royals.

Just goes to show how ****ing stupid the tiktok generation is. A video, a self recorded video from the "victim," can come out of a chick willingly laying in bed, smiling, next to a man that is sleeping that she supposedly had to sneak out of the house to get away from because he brutally beat her unconscious. Yet, if you threw up a poll, 80% would still side with her, and I might be selling it short.

She deserves that beating from the next man she ****s.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals Avoid Arbitration With Taylor Clarke <a href="https://t.co/2uBWKWlifG">https://t.co/2uBWKWlifG</a> <a href="https://t.co/wPLhQjjahO">pic.twitter.com/wPLhQjjahO</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1723402736266289617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals, Bobby Witt Jr. Have Had &quot;Some Talks Here And There&quot; About Extension <a href="https://t.co/gtLj1xsaj8">https://t.co/gtLj1xsaj8</a> <a href="https://t.co/fdxyCidjqs">pic.twitter.com/fdxyCidjqs</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1723454138216857622?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 11, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Angel Zerpa put on a show in the Arizona Fall League Championship Game last night.<br><br>3 IP<br>1 H<br>0 R<br>0 BB<br>6 Ks<br><br>Building on a strong September when he went 19.2 IP with a 2.29 ERA, 2.95 FIP, and 3.23 xFIP. <a href="https://t.co/gsAHThLFYy">pic.twitter.com/gsAHThLFYy</a></p>&mdash; Royals Weekly (@RoyalsWeekly) <a href="https://twitter.com/RoyalsWeekly/status/1723702222779764808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals have 0 votes. <br> <br>This is the 2nd year the GUARDIANS have had players in the TOP 3. In &#39;21 Clase was 5th. <br><br>The last time the Royals had a player in the Top 3 was Eric Hosmer in 2011. They have had the largest draft pool of any team in the MLB since 2005. <a href="https://t.co/MLs8zISbaO">https://t.co/MLs8zISbaO</a></p>&mdash; HIRE KYLE BODDY and THRIVE, KC (@150Guacamole) <a href="https://twitter.com/150Guacamole/status/1724212649095778364?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 13, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We have been, without a doubt, astoundingly dog shit in the drafting and development department. It's why there are no easy solutions to our problems, the guys we were counting on to step up have not (save BWJ and maybe Vinny - but who knows - lets not even talk about the pitching), and the farm system is by all metrics....trash. Would be great to have some money to spend to staunch the bleeding...but I'm not hopefull.

The Royals are bad at drafting.

And developing. And coaching. And winning baseball games.

Bouncing around here and there to have talks isn't getting this extention done!


You'd think just staying in the same spot and talking this through would be best! :doh!::harumph:

Royals DFA Josh Staumont and Logan Porter

Thanks Mike Matheny for ruining the bullpen. You did a good job of destroying all the young good bullpen arms, so you could win a few more games!

A new entrant has entered the race!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Royals are considering the site of the former KC Star printing press which seems far too small and seems logistically difficult but also what in the world is going on with this site selection??? <a href="https://t.co/Mbv8sayj3K">https://t.co/Mbv8sayj3K</a></p>&mdash; Royals Review (@royalsreview) <a href="https://twitter.com/royalsreview/status/1724929020817498459?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

Joke of a franchise. They have no clue what they want. They just want something shiny and new!

Lol John Sherman is a ****in tool ass idiot.

The Star building makes a lot of sense if they can get enough land. Make One Electric is the family that owns the Star Building now. They are also a Royals sponsor. They have a sign on one of the fences.

I think the city would be like that site more.

The uniforms are pretty sharp though

I knew Geddy Lee was a huge baseball fan, but didn't realize he has such a massive collection.

Christie's is holding an auction for some of his memorabilia.

https://www.christies.com/auction/au...rtby=lotnumber

I watched the Star building get built from my apartment. Sure as shit doesn't feel like 20 years ago.

And a stadium there would be a really tight fit.

The incompetence of everyone involved aside, that actually seems like the most logical spot to me, assuming they can figure out how to squeeze a stadium in.

A's to Vegas has been approved by MLB Owners.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/o...nanimous-vote/

Royals will never go for that site. They want a site where they can force the city to build them their own entertainment district and capture a piece of the related revenue year round. Being next to the P&L District won't let the Royals get those $$$.

The KC Star location is more than likely a "due diligence" inclusion so they can also say "see this other location is the most perfectest location for the perfect stadium." *wink wink* come final decision time.

Or they've come to the realization that trying to push their concepts with their own entertainment district are coming up bunk so they're pivoting

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Royals GM J.J. Picollo Discusses Offseason Targets <a href="https://t.co/o22Yla14L8">https://t.co/o22Yla14L8</a> <a href="https://t.co/q7aLa6Ur8l">pic.twitter.com/q7aLa6Ur8l</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1724920654862905771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Aw shucks, we'd really like to add starting pitching, but gosh darnit they are so dang expensive. We'd like to add a bat... but stitches, they want to be paid to hit. Cheese and rice!

They could be willing to pivot on many aspects, but the ability to make money year round, especially when baseball is not being played, is not one of the things they will concede on. This isn't their concept. This is the industry norm now.

The new stadiums of the late 90s/00s were about adding more luxury suites and higher in game revenue streams within the stadium. Now that that revenue stream is maxed out, it's the entertainment around the stadium that is required for ownership to make more money and sell the team for a massive profit. They will threaten to move before they allow this not to happen.

Yup, everybody is using the Brave's model...

I don't know if the Royals are really building a pure entertainment district ala Power & Light on the East Village site according to their site plans they put out earlier. Seemed like there they were going to put in an office building and condos. North Kansas City they would be putting in a lot more but that really seems to be a fall back plan.

Okay. Let them move.

The interesting part to me is what the Chiefs think. They probably have more power than any team in the country right now and could ask for whatever they want. You know the Royals and Chiefs are talking about all this stuff but they don't go in on this together. Guessing they think that's too big of an ask?

Part of me wonders if they pitched this whole thing as "Move Royals here and do X, Y, Z to Arrowhead" it would be a slam dunk. Maybe they're just waiting to see what the Royals do and then build their ask around that. But you know it's coming, the Chiefs are going to ask for money soon and they're part of this process. But the Royals are taking the full-on lead in the community.

The Royals can collectively lick the underside of our jizz tubes. Clark Hunt can ask for the moon and he'll probably get it, and I sure hope he doesn't let this Skinflint Dipshit Sherman tag along on his nuts.

I think you got this right. The Chiefs know exactly what they want to do, and Step 1 involves the Royals moving so they can make use of all that space and finally develop the area around there into something.

The royals can move to the TBones park at the Legends. Might fill that one up

If entertainment districts matched team performance then the Royals might be good staying put next to Taco Bell, Denny's and The Fellowship of Christian Athletes

Royals taking on the arrows politically since replacing the stadiums are tricky situation and the Chiefs come in to get in passed.

Wut? These situations have next to nothing to do with each other outside of the fact they currently share the same complex. The Chiefs are currently one of the top organizations in the most popular sport in the United States. The Royals by comparison are a bottom tier organization in a sport that's stagnating at best. If/when the Chiefs actually gets serious about a potential new stadium, there will be a mad scramble by every potential location the Chiefs float to give Hunt money hand over fist to put the new stadium and surrounding entertainment district there.

Hell, the only thing that MAY save Sherman is if Mahomes becomes a public face for the effort since he's got money in the Royals

Damn, this mofo be spittin'!!!

Bobby Witt Jr. finished seventh in the AL MVP voting.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AL MVP voting <br><br>(Via <a href="https://twitter.com/officialBBWAA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@officialBBWAA</a> ) <a href="https://t.co/vHoKeuuv34">pic.twitter.com/vHoKeuuv34</a></p>&mdash; Barstool Baseball (@StoolBaseball) <a href="https://twitter.com/StoolBaseball/status/1725296880932843838?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 16, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nicky Lopez going to the White Sox
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Atlanta acquires reliever Aaron Bummer from the Chicago White Sox in exchange for RHP Michael Soroka, LHP Jared Shuster, INF Nicky Lopez, INF Braden Shewmake and minor-league RHP Riley Gowens.</p>&mdash; Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) <a href="https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1725375973485605141?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bummer has a good reputation for being a high-leverage lefty and ground ball pitcher, but that's quite the haul in quantity for a guy who had a 6.79 ERA last year.