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Sam Mellinger: Chiefs whiff on chance to improve at QB (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=257584)

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 8479913)

To Painter? You can't be serious. People creamed their shorts over Orton replacing Palko and yet neither him nor Garrard are upgrades over Painter?

Palko was terrible on a grand scale, people would have creamed their shorts to see Bono called up...

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8478989)

:shake:
I totally disagree with this statement-he went to Dallas to be a backup and he is NOT going to ever start while Romo is healthy so Kansas City was actually a BETTER opportunity to start, if that's what he really was after....

i beg to differ.

if Pissoli asked Orton to sign as a backup to Cassel, that was a huge slap in the face and so he signed elsewhere as fast as he could.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 8479419)

The narrative never changes.

Forget the fact that Manning had no interest in coming to Kansas City.
Forget the fact that Orton chose to be an overpaid clipboard-holder.
Forget the fact that we were in no real position to trade up for either Luck or Griffin.
Forget the fact that there were no other options.

It's always Pioli's fault.

I don't really disagree. The problem in defending Pioli in the QB situation is that he brought in Cassel in the first place. It doesn't really matter what the media/fans believed at first, this guy watched Cassel for a long while and made a big mistake. Now he has made a lot of good moves, so its not like I want to kill him because of the initial mistake on Cassel. That being said, he should be on the hook for the Cassel situation, even currently, because he did bring him in.

We also don't know why Manning didn't come. Pioli can say he just didn't want to come, but it could have been the front office for all we know. We don't know for a fact that it was, but we can't completely take Pioli off the hook for this one. That being said, people have basically taken it as fact that he is fully to blame. I think in the end, we were out because, right or wrong, our FO didn't want to pay him that much money.

Orton got paid essentially what our 2nd TE is getting paid. Pioli came out and said that it was basically way too much for Orton. To me it isn't, not if you are willing to give the same contract to Boss. The QB competition is more important. Just makes it seem like he was all too willing to get Orton away from Cassel.

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8480074)

i beg to differ.

if Pissoli asked Orton to sign as a backup to Cassel, that was a huge slap in the face and so he signed elsewhere as fast as he could.

So Pioli's statement "there is competition" at every position and Romeo is the new HC wouldn't give Orton the chance to start?

Don't you agree that his chance to start with KC was much greater than with Dallas? :hmmm:

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8480224)

i've read several different quotes from Scott saying Matt Cassel is our starter plus he brings in these quarterbacks that have worse stats than Matt.

Cassel is Pioli's starter and i hope he sinks with Cassel.

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8480277)

i've read several different quotes from Scott saying Matt Cassel is our starter plus he brings in these quarterbacks that have worse stats than Matt.

Cassel is Pioli's starter and i hope he sinks with Cassel.

That is not in dispute-Cassel is the starter just like the other 31 teams all name their starter and then someone tries to beat them out of the position, should the starter not be Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, or the like.

I can't believe that Romeo would just stick Cassel in there if Orton blew him away during training camp. Haley pulled that shit with Palko and see where it got him?

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 8480116)

Difference is, Boss may go on to be the starter at TE if Moeaki can't go.
And that's a very real possibility.

Orton's gonna hold a clipboard.

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8480296)

I can't believe that Romeo would just stick Cassel in there if Orton blew him away during training camp. Haley pulled that shit with Palko and see where it got him?

Romeo Crennel is Scott's Yessim Master.
Scott says start Cassel and Crennel says Yessim Master.

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8480308)

Romeo Crennel is Scott's Yessim Master.
Scott says start Cassel and Crennel says Yessim Master.

What's up Riots?

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 8478748)

Well.... It kind of is. If Matt Flynn is turns out to be a stud, then Pioli will look like a dumbass, but otherwise, what should he have done? I suppose re-signing Orton was a way he could have gone, but c'mon... that's not the change at QB everyone is looking for. Basically, in FA it was Manning or bust and he didn't want to be a Chief. I hope they address it in the draft but you can't manufacture a franchise QB out of thin air. The organization made it clear that Cassel isn't the golden boy by pursuing Manning. It's a matter of time and opportunity until Matt is out of the picture. That doesn't make Pioli a shitty GM.

The moment he passes on a legit QB shot to stick with Cassel or any other "safe" option, I'll agree, but I don't know what else he could have done. (Again, other than sign a former back-up that looked good with an elite offense)

There were other options out there that were better options than Cassel, but we didn't make an attempt for. Cassel was plan A, he didn't try very hard to get to plan B.

I really hope Cousins is off the board before we pick in the 2nd rnd.

Cousins = Cassel 2.0