Those other guys had some growing pains early in their careers. Terry Bradshaw for one. IIRC, Steelers fan were ready to run him out of town.

In fact, check out Bradshaws stats...

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...B/BradTe00.htm


...nothing to write home about on a lot of fronts. BUT...!!!

He did come through with a couple passes that could be qualified as clutch time by some, but I see some luck in that designation too and even the greats get luck sometime. But to me.... Tebow either is just really lucky or he's in some sort of shell, held back by insecurities. He doesn't seem insecure.

I also don't like his hype and attention. Fans made the bronco's leadership put in Tebow, he didn't earn it or deserve it, and that makes me hate him.

If Terry Bradshaw played the game as it is today, he'd put up Manning/Brady numbers. From the gate.

And just for the record, I think the ideal spot for Tebow would be the Buffalo Bills. Chan Gailey's offense would be almost a perfect fit for Tebow type of game.

I didn't say anything about him being just a guy. Scott Mitchell was just a guy. The guys I mentioned were just championship level guys who aren't in and shouldn't be in the conversation of greatest of all time. You're a fraud when it comes to knowing QB greatness (unless, of course, you get to do it in retrospect).

Holy shit.

LMAO


When the hell did I say I was some kind of QB guru who could identify greatness before a player starts his career?

How am I a fraud?

You should make this speech to the people around here who think they can predict QB greatness, not to me. You and I agree on this.

The part we don't agree on is whether the team has been trying. I thought they were trying when they traded for Matt Cassel. You seemed to prefer sticking with waiver-wire pickup, Tyler Thigpen. Since then, the front office has been filling all kinds of holes on this roster and they haven't really had many opportunities to take another shot at a QBoTF (as we can now see in hindsight). I still trust that the slow build toward multiple championships is the way to go, rather than the mortgage the future for a shot at a 1st round QB prospect or a late-career future Hall of Famer approach.

When did I say that Terry Bradshaw was "just a guy"?

Jesus ****, you're getting bent because of semantics?

My point is that Terry Bradshaw is never considered when discussing the all time greats, and I believe that is underating him tremendously.

He isn't in that discussion because he doesn't deserve to be in that discussion.

I have correctly identified the future HOF career of Ricky Stanzi before it happened, Pat.

Will you bestow upon me the title of QB Genious (cp spelling)?

Let's hope one of two things happen:

1) Quinn pulls a Len Dawson and the light bulb goes on. (They are the same age and the circumstances are eerily similar...or
2)Stanzi pulls a Tom Brady. The tools are there, and if he's the film rat that everyone says, it could happen.

Except that Dawson never really had a chance to play before being signed in KC.

#1 is where I would put my money. Watching Quinn A LOT in college I thought for certain he would be a player that would have a lot of success in the NFL year over year. He is intelligent, athletic, and has all the tools you would want in a starting QB including leadership. I thought he handled his draft slide just as well as Aaron Rodgers did and thought that Quinn was more of a complete QB than Rodgers coming out.

Hopefully if given an opportunity, KC can catch the "Len Lightning" again in Brady Quinn.
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Quinn has played in 12 games.

How do you define greatness?

Big numbers don't impress me.

Greatness, to me, is defined by what you do in the biggest moments, and no one delivered in big moments more consistently than Joe Montana, Bart Starr, and Terry Bradshaw.

And how many games did Lenny play in?

1?

1 on 1 with Quinn.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center...2-a5348b49acf2

In 5 years, with Pittsburg and Cleveland, Lenny started 2 games and attempted 35 passes.

So odd...I have a friend that works at ND and we talk about Quinn and Clausen (not a good word said about Jimmy) a lot. He is still clueless as to why you draft a guy in the first round and only give him a 12 game window to show what he has to offer. Quinn had moments of competence in those 12 games as well.
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I'm not sure. I'm not really familiar with his career before the Chiefs.

Terry Bradshaw doesn't belong on that list, but John Elway does. You're too young to have much memory of Bart Starr.

12 games on a ****ing shit team that was devoid of talent.

See my following post.

Quinn had more opportunity than Lenny, has a larger body of work to judge him from.

I am not discounting the possibility that the right situation with the right coaching can untap the potential that made Quinn a first round talent, but I am also not going to get my hopes raised.

Too bad he isn't going to be given a fair shot at winning the job here, either.

I think it can happen.....but I'm not sure that he's going to get the opportunity. But I could be wrong....he now has RAC and Daboll to work with. They're more familiar with Quinn then they are Cassel. If Cassel struggles next season.....I wouldn't be surprised to see him pulled for Quinn.

That's reasonable.

You'd be surprised by how much I remember about my early years and watching football, and that goes to things that happened in my personal life.

But I put Starr in the conversation based on long discussions with my uncle about football from my late teens and early twenties.

We live and die by Cassel. The only way Quinn gets in there is if Cassel blows an achilles, or some such.

I'm not so sure.

I know the FO said that they would bring in competition for Cassel....and then they brought in Quinn....but I think they're starting to realize that Cassel is pretty close to sinking the entire ship and taking them all with him. That's why there was all of the talk about competition in the 1st place. They'll give Cassel the first half of this year....but if he flounders like he always has.....they'll be quick to pull him. Shit....he only has one year left on his deal anyways.

This is a good team. Even if Cassel struggles, its probably not going to be an epic failure. With this defense and running game, Matt will be protected enough. He isn't going to be forced into epic bad games. We may see the truth about his skills, but it won't be enough to pull him.

My pulling it out of my butt guess is that we are planning to draft Weeden in the 2nd or 3rd, but if there is a run on QB's and we miss him they needed to have someone to backup Cassel if/when he falls into a fetal position again. Not getting Manning, and not being able to move up to get the only other QB's worth drafting painted them in a corner.

No thanks to a 30 year old rookie QB.


I embellished a little on the age (not by much, though) to make the point.

I don't think they draft a QB at all this year. If they do....then Stanzi is gone.

I think the same thing. They aren't going to go into next season with basically two rookies at back up QB.

I figure it is either that or we wait a year. The age is an issue, but eh, so is having Cassel as our QB...

Fair enough.