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|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:12 PM

Is there a correlation between being active in FA and having success?
 
Frankie's thread got me thinking...as well as when a CP member actually said (Pre Jones signing) that this felt like Christmas Day...but going downstairs and finding no presents.

I thought the Christmas day \ FA comparison was silly.

But the truth is out there I suppose?

Is there really a correlation between being active in Free Agency and success in the legaue?

Titty Meat 03-09-2010 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590691)
Frankie's thread got me thinking...as well as when a CP member actually said (Pre Jones signing) that this felt like Christmas Day...but going downstairs and finding no presents.

I thought the Christmas day \ FA comparison was silly.

But the truth is out there I suppose?

Is there really a correlation between being active in Free Agency and success in the legaue?

No it's not about being active it's about making the right move when the opportunity presents itself.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6590700)
No it's not about being active it's about making the right move when the opportunity presents itself.

Agreed. But people seem to be really frustrated literally because we are not active.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224607

Gonzo 03-09-2010 07:16 PM

When was the last time we were really active in the fa market?
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Titty Meat 03-09-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590703)
Agreed. But people seem to be really frustrated literally because we are not active.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224607

I am a bit frusrated with all that money the Chiefs have really they could afford to sign a guy like Dansby which would go along way to fixing the defense. We already should have made an offer to Atogwae.

Bane 03-09-2010 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6590709)
When was the last time we were really active in the fa market?
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It was.....No .........uh.....Fugg if I know.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:18 PM

Who is consistently the most active team in Free Agency?

This isn't a trap I am not trying to prove a point. I really am interested to see if there is much a connection. My gut says there is not.

Pasta Little Brioni 03-09-2010 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6590709)
When was the last time we were really active in the fa market?
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Gun's shopping list? :)

Titty Meat 03-09-2010 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590718)
Who is consistently the most active team in Free Agency?

This isn't a trap I am not trying to prove a point. I really am interested to see if there is much a connection. My gut says there is not.

Define active? Signing the top tier free agents or just guys in general? It seems the Patriots sign guys every year, Washington, Denver.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6590727)
Define active? Signing the top tier free agents or just guys in general? It seems the Patriots sign guys every year, Washington, Denver.

Yea I guess it is tough to define isn't it?

People on here are often frustrated with our activity in FA but when I look at Denver? They seem to be very very active and they seem to get a whole lot of shit performances from players they were counting on.

Titty Meat 03-09-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590732)
Yea I guess it is tough to define isn't it?

People on here are often frustrated with our activity in FA but when I look at Denver? They seem to be very very active and they seem to get a whole lot of shit performances from players they were counting on.

The Chiefs sign free agents every year but they don't sign 1st or even 2nd tier guys so I haven't considered them active in free agency for 3 years now. The draft is the most important part but the reason why some people want the Chiefs to be more active is because there are so many holes on this team theres no way you can fill them all in 1 or 2 drafts.

CoMoChief 03-09-2010 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590703)
Agreed. But people seem to be really frustrated literally because we are not active.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=224607

I think it pisses fans off when the organization will say we will be active, and then we go out and do shit like re-signing Vrabel. Moves like that make people think that the Chiefs view on FA and the fans view's are 2 entirely different things. This team hasn't gone out and signed a big name 1-tier FA in God knows how long. It makes sense to do sometimes when you think you need that 1-2 players to get the team over the hump. At times when this team has been in that position, the front office fails to capitalize.

Quesadilla Joe 03-09-2010 07:29 PM

Ray Crocket, Neil Smith, Keith Traylor, Romo, Alfred Williams, Darrien Gordon, Ed McCaffery, Gary Zimmerman, Mark Schlereth, Tony Jones... I know there were more, but if Shanny doesn't bring those guys in no way does Denver win back to back SB's.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6590756)
I think it pisses fans off when the organization will say we will be active, and then we go out and do shit like re-signing Vrabel. Moves like that make people think that the Chiefs view on FA and the fans view's are 2 entirely different things. When there's someone like Dansby out there that could really help out this defense at the LB position, when he has ties to Haley, you would think we'd throw some cash his way to try and reel him in.

I have no doubt they are. Is that bad?

Titty Meat 03-09-2010 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724 (Post 6590759)
Ray Crocket, Neil Smith, Keith Traylor, Romo, Alfred Williams, Darrien Gordon, Ed McCaffery, Gary Zimmerman, Mark Schlereth, Tony Jones... I know there were more, but if Shanny doesn't bring those guys in no way does Denver win back to back SB's.

Without those signings you're probably cheering for another team. Douche.

KCChiefsMan 03-09-2010 07:32 PM

sure there is, there are also one's who are active every year and never see success. It just depends on what you need and who you get.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6590763)
Without those signings you're probably cheering for another team. Douche.

ROFL

|Zach| 03-09-2010 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsMan (Post 6590766)
sure there is, there are also one's who are active every year and never see success. It just depends on what you need and who you get.

So your answer is "No"

KCChiefsMan 03-09-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590771)
So your answer is "No"

yup

ChiefsCountry 03-09-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo (Post 6590709)
When was the last time we were really active in the fa market?
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2003

Mr. Laz 03-09-2010 07:43 PM

being smart about evaluating talent leads to success regardless of the avenue you take

DaFace 03-09-2010 07:56 PM

I don't think there's a guarantee no matter what you do. See the Redskins.

CoMoChief 03-09-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590761)
I have no doubt they are. Is that bad?

Most ways it's not. Obviously they're the pros, but in some ways its bad. Esp now when they're trying desperately to sell season tickets. I'm not saying that this team should sign as many big FA's as they can and use all the cap room (if there is a cap). But then again you can't do everything via the draft, and the 3rd tier FA's I wouldn't even call stop gaps. I understand that you don't want to bomb on a FA signing. then again a lot of times you get what you pay for. I mean is Vrabel really helping this team become a better defense?

DeezNutz 03-09-2010 08:23 PM

The draft and FA aren't mutually exclusive.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6590934)
I mean is Vrabel really helping this team become a better defense?

Are we losing a lot by signing him? I don't think there is anything we can't do because we signed Vrabel.

CoMoChief 03-09-2010 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590718)
Who is consistently the most active team in Free Agency?

This isn't a trap I am not trying to prove a point. I really am interested to see if there is much a connection. My gut says there is not.

Dallas and Washington come to mind.

DeezNutz 03-09-2010 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6590958)
Are we losing a lot by signing him? I don't think there is anything we can't do because we signed Vrabel.

We wouldn't lose a thing by signing me, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be ****ing stupid.

Easy 6 03-09-2010 08:35 PM

Without a consistently applied, proven program that doesnt change primary coaches & philosophies every year or two... without a real foundation, ie; Skins, Fade etc... No. It usually smells of desperation & nets few lasting results.

'A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week' - George Patton.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6590983)
We wouldn't lose a thing by signing me, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be ****ing stupid.

That sounds like a reasonable comparison.

irishjayhawk 03-09-2010 09:42 PM

Before Thomas it seemed the sentiment was sign people with big dollars. The whole Chicago 40 million in one day matches Chiefs payroll logic was making my brain bleed. It's not the amount of money spent it's the quality bought.

irishjayhawk 03-09-2010 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6590983)
We wouldn't lose a thing by signing me, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be ****ing stupid.

I dunno. Signing people off a message board could lead to big revenues.

DeezNutz 03-09-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6591168)
That sounds like a reasonable comparison.

Not really.

I'm not an over-the-hill broke dick.

dirk digler 03-09-2010 09:47 PM

IMO the majority of the frustration is that the Chiefs have alot of holes that need to be filled and they have the lowest payroll in the NFL and aren't spending any money to acquire better talent. So basically they look cheap.

|Zach| 03-09-2010 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6591241)
Not really.

I'm not an over-the-hill broke dick.

The drama.

DeezNutz 03-09-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6591286)
The drama.

Which?

I love plays.


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