It's about damn time we discuss the Cam Newtons!
 

Trap game for sure!

Discuss please....

We will lose looking like anything we did today

Definitely nervous about it. Hopefully, Houston is at 100 percent with no limitations. That will surely help.

Chiefs win by 10.

Let's hear the health reports first.

The real Choco Peni

If Ware and Maclin return..we should be ok. run d was pretty bad...but that can always improve...especially if Houston returns...it's always about the matchups.

I think today was the wake up call they needed, with not putting a very winnable game away, and Jax standing there with a chance to win at the end.

They breath a sigh of relief and hit the week more focused than they did after the walk in the park in Indy.

Carolina favored by 3.

Hmmm

Carolina's offense does not intimidate me right now. They aren't the same there at all.

The defense has started to pick it up a little, though...

If Ware/Maclin play, Chiefs win by a few. If not, they lose..

Reid doesn't learn

Well hopefully the team realized how close they came to letting one slip away.

Ford getting all the attention will be interesting with Houston now back. Add Poe and Jones to that list and someone is gonna be getting 1v1 looks

HE DOESN'T ****ING LEARN

Carolina had one of the easiest strength of schedules in 2015. From what the media fed us, Cam was the MVP but I argued that he was overrated. Rivera did a good job hiding Cam's deficiencies last season but as the playoffs unfolded and a more difficult schedule this season it's clearly showing what he's really worth. I'll admit tho that in the the red zone, Cam is a beast (pre-concussion). When they are winning, their offense primarily relies on their running backs.

They led the league in 2015 in the # of running plays as a percentage of total offensive plays. If we don't clean up our act on defense, Stewart is going to have a 100+ yard day.

If we are going to win this game, it's going to come on good QB play as their secondary is the weakest link

We better get that shitty run D figured out, or we're going to get prison raped.

Make Cam beat you through the air, because based on what I've seen of him this year - he can't.

Bullshit. Reid admits he needs to do better and makes the appropriate adjustments...

If we are going to win reid has to take his head out of his ass. Prepare the.team. not limit them on offense and sutton needs to get his defense ready for their rushing offense.

If I am panthers I would just spread us out, run the ball.and a lot of double move routes.

Anyone else going to this game?

I heard them talking during the games today about Cam complaining about all the hits that he had been taking without getting a roughing call. Apparently, the league admitted that it was true. So now I'm expecting them to tell the refs to be stricter in the game next week. I bet we get called at least twice for roughing on ticky tack hits that aren't nearly like what Dungver got away with.

Help us, Alex Smith. You're our only hope.

Carolina capitalized on turnovers last season, not so much this year. Alex Smith can have a big day with CAR weak DBs. Very winnable game for KC.

I've thought this too. I'll take the over.

Gotta hit Cam all day. Don't worry about the refs. Opponents have gotten in his head and he has said how it effects him.

Don't let him feel safe, Houston, Ford, Jones, Poe, Prker, Sorensen and Howard...

Hope Alex comes back the same and continues to makes smart choices with his feet to extend plays still. Given that he wasn't actually concussed he shouldn't feel scared to get hit.

This. Right here.

Stopping them on Defense goes like this:

1. QB Pressure
2. Gap discipline (QB rush too)
3. Everything else.

We have to be able to tackle and finish sacks. Can't let him get out and extend the play.

We don't have anyone to cover Olsen and their big receivers will be a tough cover for our <6 ft DBs as well.

They don't run the ball well but they are committed.

Do we have any idea at all which Newton is going to take the field?

Because that makes all the difference. That team just barely held of a terrible Rams team after they looked like they may be rounding into form against the Cardinals the week before.

What the Panthers may need to do is go back to what they did last year when Newton was actually taking the ball at defenders. Yeah, it'll cut down on his career, but it actually ends up making guys get tired of trying to hit him. The dude is like Bettis out there. Conventional wisdom says to hit him and rattle him but if Newton's going out there being the hammer instead of the nail, he gets charged up and defenders start to get a little tired of getting trucked by a damn QB.

The Panthers are just such a strange team this year that I don't have any idea what we'll run into. But because both teams seem opposed to putting their foot on anyone's throat, it feels like a 4 point game either way.

They suck. Chiefs win by 49!!!!!!!!!

Depends on the injury report

Has Berry seemed close to invisible to anyone else? I didn't get to watch a lot of the game yesterday, but i just haven't seen him swarming like years past. Am i blind?

Parker is like a man possessed he is always in the mix

He made one nice play in run support yesterday; don't recall when but he did a good job of reading and coming downwhill to stop a first down run in its tracks.

But apart from that, hitting Bortles 40 yards downfield is about as noticeable as he was yesterday...or most of the year for that matter.

He's not getting tagged next season and I doubt he's getting retained at all. The Chiefs will be past the PR flack for not bringing him back now that he's not the returning cancer patient and they'll have plenty of cover when the cap space goes to Poe instead.

Like Charles before him, I recommend enjoying Berry as much as you can now because I'm pretty sure this is his last ride...

LA got 5 sacks on him yesterday. Just blitz early and get in Cam's head. This game looks like it will be a complete grind it out field positioning game. Hope Smith, Ware and Maclin can make it back. If they do, we should have the advantage.

Uh....sure, but not always in a good way.

Parker was very possibly the worst player on the field yesterday. Constantly behind the play and completely ineffective vs. the run. I felt like every defender we had yesterday at least pulled their weight but him. The dropped pick that hit him between the numbers and then losing Robinson when you knew the Jags needed to run a fast developing play was just pathetic. And of course Ivory eating his soul was just embarrassing.

Not a good day for Ron.

We don't have the individual stars on the DL that the Rams do. Cam will hold the ball looking for a big play so I wouldn't be surprised if we get to him a couple times, but I certainly wouldn't expect us to be in his face all the time simply because the Rams were.

As with all Chiefs games...

If we cause turnovers and protect the ball and have a balanced offense we will win. It won't matter what the Panthers do.

If we don't get any turnovers or cough it up or go pass-happy then we will lose.

The Panthers are a .500 team at home (losing to Minnesota and Tampa and beating Arizona and San Fran). They average 25.0 ppg at home - but generated nearly half of their home field points against one opponent (49ers) and averaged only 18.0 ppg in the other three.

The Chiefs are number one in the NFL in turnover differential (+13). Carolina is 29th in the same stat (-6). During the first 6 games of the year Carolina lost the turnover battle in every game. The last two games they haven't turned it over once and, not surprisingly, they have eeked out two wins.

The Panthers are an average passing team and an above average running game. After what happened yesterday I would expect them to test the run defense early and often. If we can go Negan on them and shut that chit down early I think our chances improve dramatically. If we can make them live up to their reputation for turnovers then we likely win.

A lot will depend on who plays, of course. Spencer Ware was probably the most missed player on the field yesterday. Getting him back will be a real difference maker (I'm assuming Alex comes back).

Do you realize KC has been one of the top defenses against the TE for 3.5 years and counting now?

What tight end has caused us issue in recent years?

The white ones?


:D

Kidding.

Agree with this, I feel confident that Ware (and Smith certainly) will be back. I think it was a calculated risk leaving them out yesterday (Not sure if they had any choice with Ware).

Every Game is big from here on but this is huge a chance to top the division before coming back for a winnable home game the following week. The division crown has a heavy incentive with the South and North Sucking AFC West winner should get a first round bye at least.

You are blind he is still a hell of a good player and leader on this defense.

He knocked the snot out of Bortles (who didn't scramble again after that play) He defended a 3rd and short pass against Marcedes Lewis and was good in run support.

Julius Thomas (with Manning) and Gronk.

Olsen is on their level.

Nobody is on Gronks level and Newton aint on Mannings either.

I'm not convinced Gronk isn't the beneficiary of playing with, potentially, the best QB of all time. Obviously he's really, really good, but that much better than everyone else? I'd like to see him without Brady.

Everyone in the league knows KC is an extremely tough out, and I fully expect Carolina to play accordingly... this is going to be a brutal, grinding affair decided by who wins the turnover battle and has the fewest penalties

Maybe, but the analysis remains the same. Manning made his TEs until his arm fell off. Brady may have made Gronk but the fact remains that those two are a pretty much unmatched combination.

Newton isn't that kind of quarterback. Perhaps Olsen with a healthy Manning or Brady is as effective as Thomas was or Gronk is....but that's not what he's working with.

I think Newton has his own level not to be compared to Manning. Newton is a duel threat more so like Steve Young imo. The thing is with Newton is his on and off switch he can be turned on or off depending on his mood. His lights were out during the Super Bowl but during the season he had the lights on and was turned on by rolling over teams. I don't get what his problem was during the Super Bowl but he is a threat any other day.

What's that have to do with the TE beating us up?

I agree - Newton's a challenge in his own right. But he's not the kind of guy that's going to go surgically targeting Julius Thomas like Manning used to. If we leave Olsen uncovered, Cam will find him because Olsen's his security blanket. But he's not going to go looking off coverage or throwing Olsen open like Manning used to do to really carve us up because that's just not how he plays.

If we suck against Olsen, Newton will exploit it. But if we just provide credible coverage (and there's no reason we shouldn't), we'll be fine. Olsen will get his as he always does as Cam's favorite target, but he won't butcher us like the old Antonio Gates days.

I hope the Chiefs practice against the "Bootleg" this week.



You know Newton is going take off and we need to be on him like flies to road kill. Dee Ford needs to run him over and the rest of the team fly on him and pester him all day.

You may be right. Here are his numbers for this year. His numbers went way up once Brady returned from his suspension. Was that just due to his knee injury? Was he baxk at 100% before Brady returned?

Thu 9/22
vs HOU W 27-0 0 1 0
Sun 10/2
vs BUF L 0-16 1 2 11
Sun 10/9
@ CLE W 33-13 5 7 109
Sun 10/16
vs CIN W 35-17 7 9 162
Sun 10/23
@ PIT W 27-16 4 4 93
Sun 10/30
@ BUF W 41-25 5 7 109

Um cuz thread topic is mostly about Cam Newton a and I didn't go back pages to see that the topic on hand is about TE Gronk that plays for the patriots. I was only responding to the part of and Newton aint on Mannings either so my post had little to nothing about a TE beating us up.

Having Smith back is going to be large. The problem that we ran into yesterday is that we couldn't/didn't extend any drives offensively. People want to cry about Reid/Smith not bombing the football all over the place, but what is particularly effective about Smith's game is that he maintains TOP extremely well. It's not Ware, or Charles or whoever...it's Smith's ability to find the first down marker in order to keep a drive going.

That was definitely on a lot of people minds yesterday... chunk plays are thrilling and we DO still need more of them from Smith, but there is also something to be said for high percentage throws that extend drives and keep your defense off the field

Gotta keep the chains moving, and going bombs away every other play is no way to consistently accomplish that... a balance needs to be struck

Yep. But you can't convince SDH, Clay and the other Madden football geeks that the west coast offense is designed that way and that Reid and Smith are running it the way it's designed and winning games because of it. They just can't figure out that Madden isn't the same as real football.

The combination of Newton-Olsen is definitely a step down but aside from Manning-Brady there isn't one better in this league.

If we struggle to stop the run and they commit to the play action, it'll make an already-difficult job even tougher.

No one is as good as Aaron Donald, but the Chiefs are pretty good at getting to the QB. Sutton should work in some nice blitz packages to throw off Newton's tempo. That's all LA did. Blitzed 69% of the plays. Held them to 13 points. Follow that strategy with our defense and I think it pays off. Especially if you can get a well rested Houston in on a few of those packages.

We're going to have to stop the run better to win this game. The Panthers will run it down the Chiefs' throats if the defense doesn't show up, and Cam will play better because of it.

Of course, when Houston comes back that pretty much shuts down one edge of the field.

Yep. That 1/13 third down conversion was pitiful

I'm trying to

Hopefully Houston is a go and we can rotate Tamba, Dadi and Zombo. Pressure up the middle with Sorensen and LBs early and often.

DJ White is coming back soon? It's been 2 weeks. I'd imagine that's soon.

I hope he comes back.

It's all about Alex. The run game will be much improved with his options and he's proven that he can spread the ball around. My only worry is our run D.

I want a very good offensive game plan. Stop with goddamn reverses in the red zone. Let's simply things when we get down there. I don't need to watch a double reverse after ya get a big turnover. Attack carolina deep and in the middle of the field. Secondary is a question mark.

Reid is a God damn Chernobyl disaster in the red zone.

But he knows he has issues and he will address them.

Never has, never will

Apparently not since that was the second reverse around the 20 that hasn't worked in 4 weeks.

I have a feeling the referees are going to be under a good deal of pressure to call PF's this week for anything near Cam's head. They've been missing so many the last few weeks.

This is NOT a trap game. This is a tough opponent, on their home turf, with a lot of weapons having an off season.

We need to be on our best behavior to win. :clap:

Before the season I chalked the two road games against the NFC South as losses.

After watching the Panthers almost lose to the Rams yesterday, I'm changing my prediction for this game.

Granted, there are "if's" involved here:
If Alex is back and we can run the offense as designed.
I'll feel better if Spencer Ware is back too. What a weapon.
If we can avoid turnovers and just play our game.

Then I think we win. I didn't see anything from Carolina that impressed me at all. Very winnable game.

I doubt Houston plays more than 10 snaps. White probably won't play. He fractured his hand.

That's a 4-6 week recovery

Ya well I've seen guys with clubs but as a corner that's not gona work at all. I know the recovery just curious when he's coming. I'd imagine Denver or shortly after.


As for Houston, I'm fine with getting his feet wet. Let him rush and get some reps and get his feet wet. I'm not saying start him even. But I'm totally fine with inactive until he's mentally ready. Don't wan't him hesitant out there.


There were no flags called on the hits on Cam Sunday. Better not start this Sunday.

I wouldn't be surprised if Maclin sits. This isn't the kind of game that you should need him quite as bad as normal. Carolina's secondary has been hot garbage.

Haven't heard his particular quote on this game. However, in the past, Reid loves to make general acknowledgments of doing better without actually specifying what, which isn't actually taking responsibility in my mind. It's like when a kid constantly says sorry without actually changing the behavior.

Andy has a lot of great attributes. But he absolutely has lessons he hasn't learned, even from his PHI days.

As for CAR, right or wrong, I still view this as a big game and a big test. I think them winning this weekend says something and I don't think this can work as a trap game. Especially with TB coming next. Yesterday was the trap game IMO.

Where is this narrative about the offense suffering with Nick Foles' lack of running ability coming from?

Alex is averaging 7 rushing yards a game this season. Seven.

The run game will be improved when Spencer Ware comes back, not when Alex Smith comes back.

You are ignoring the THREAT of the read option

They will pound the football and won't stop. Definitely a game to be concerned about