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RunKC 03-01-2015 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11353852)
I think that that possibility exists this year. I think that we are going to be stuck reaching at #18 due to the fact that the guys that fit this team are going to be off the board and they'll pull a "top guy left on the Decision Lens chit sheet" deal like they did last year.

The purported first round talent linemen other than La'el Collins suck. Scherff is a guard. Period. Ereck Flowers' kick step is ****ing atrocious. It makes Branden Albert's look respectable by comparison. He's going to get beat like a drum if he's put on the edge in the NFL. TJ Clemmings is just flat out awful. Sambrailo sucks. Peat has the only potential but I don't think he's even as close to as good as the Solder/Costanzo tall guy comparison.

They may have to take Fisher in the first in all honesty. Personally, I'd put him at #2 behind Collins right now.

Right now, I hate the bottom half of the first round in terms of how drafturbators have it laid out. Nobody fits the Chiefs and nobody is a standout over what you would find in the second round and on. This draft's strength is in the mid-rounds at positions the Chiefs need, so I'd be happy as hell to see them trade completely out of the first and pick up additional picks in the 2/3/4/5 area unless a guy like La'el Collins is still on the board. He's about all I'd really want out of the first round at the #18 spot to be honest.

Though, if they have to pick, Armstead's ceiling is such that he'd be an okay pick (despite the rumors that have Catapano returning to superhuman status).
Maxx Williams?

Saccopoo 03-01-2015 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11354032)
Maxx Williams?
With a burgeoning Kelce on the roster, using a first rounder on another stretch tight end would be redundant.

For what the Chiefs need, I think Heuerman is the better option. He's more athletic than Williams and is a much better blocker.

As I stated, people forgot about Heuerman because Ohio State kept him in as a blocker all year. And he excelled in that role. Absolutely destroyed defensive linemen. As stated, he was a main key to why the Buckeyes won that National Championship.

However, prior to the 2014 season, he was lined up all over the field to take advantage of the physical mismatch that he is.

Now, one can make the case that with Bailey, Armstead is also redundant, but I think he gives the Chiefs a high ceiling player that would allow them to run their base set more often than what we saw in 2014. (Provided that we upgrade the ILB position with something more than the tomato cans thrown onto the field last season.) Armstead has the potential to bookend Bailey and give the Chiefs an upfield push from that end of the line versus rolling out converted tackles like Vickerson, Walker and Howard.

RunKC 03-01-2015 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11354123)
With a burgeoning Kelce on the roster, using a first rounder on another stretch tight end would be redundant.

For what the Chiefs need, I think Heuerman is the better option. He's more athletic than Williams and is a much better blocker.

As I stated, people forgot about Heuerman because Ohio State kept him in as a blocker all year. And he excelled in that role. Absolutely destroyed defensive linemen. As stated, he was a main key to why the Buckeyes won that National Championship.

However, prior to the 2014 season, he was lined up all over the field to take advantage of the physical mismatch that he is.

Now, one can make the case that with Bailey, Armstead is also redundant, but I think he gives the Chiefs a high ceiling player that would allow them to run their base set more often than what we saw in 2014. (Provided that we upgrade the ILB position with something more than the tomato cans thrown onto the field last season.) Armstead has the potential to bookend Bailey and give the Chiefs an upfield push from that end of the line versus rolling out converted tackles like Vickerson, Walker and Howard.
A big part of this depends on DeVito, but I disagree about being in "no man's land" at 18.

Cameron Erving looks like a fantastic OL who fits. Jalen Collins looks like a fantastic CB prospect that we look for (elite 3 cone as well as length and speed). I think Devin Smith will be available and he seems to fit according to former Reid scout Daniel Jeremiah.

CB is the dark horse IMO. With Poe coming up, I can see them preparing to move on from Sean Smith, and you can never have enough CB's.

kccrow 03-01-2015 01:58 PM
I'm really not very thrilled about Armstead in round 1. I think you can get the exact same player, if not a better pass rusher, in Henry Anderson in round 3.

The player I'm leaning towards mocking to KC if I choose not to put a receiver there is CB Kevin Johnson of Wake Forest. He's a perfect Bob Sutton type of corner and he could be a replacement to Sean Smith next season.

My problem with Jake Fisher is holding. That kid holds far too much because he gets beat on the edge too much. If he can learn to reign that it, then he could be very solid.

Other than the top 2 picks, I'm okay with the rest, although I don't think Rowe has the feet in transition to play CB in the pros.

Nightfyre 03-01-2015 02:37 PM
I am super high on jake fisher. He can play either tackle, imo. I just prefer the versatility of Collins and Erving. I do think fisher would be good value in round 2 and ridiculous value in round 3, which is where I have seen him projected most.

Saccopoo 03-07-2015 12:22 PM
Glaring Combine snub Zach Vigil had his pro day yesterday:

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Utah State had 16 former football players work out in front of 20 National Football League (NFL) Scouts Thursday morning in its annual Pro Day.

In all, scouts from the Atlanta Falcons, Baltimore Ravens, Buffalo Bills, Carolina Panthers, Cincinnati Bengals, Denver Broncos, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, New England Patriots, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders, San Diego Chargers, Seattle Seahawks, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tennessee Titans and Washington Redskins were in attendance.

Participating in this year's Pro Day event included defensive back La'Ron Bennett, punter Jaron Bentrude, wide receiver Ronald Butler, placekicker Nick Diaz, running back Joe Hill, defensive end B.J. Larsen, defensive back Rashard Stewart, safety Brian Suite, safety Frankie Sutera, offensive lineman Bill Vavau, linebacker Zach Vigil and offensive lineman Kevin Whimpey.
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Vigil ran the 40 in 4.66. He would’ve liked to have gone faster, but he’s still pleased with his overall performance throughout the day.
“You can never be satisfied with what you did,” Vigil said. “I just need to continue to become more explosive and quicker, have better footwork, keep working on my hips. Obviously, the study of the game is always very important. If you want to be successful in the NFL for a long time, I’ve been told you’ve just got to be a student of the game and understand all your weaknesses, and try to improve and make them strengths.”
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The 6-foot-5, 295-pound Whimpey did 39 reps on the bench, while the next closest Aggie was linebacker Zach Vigil, who had 26.
Some other numbers for the Aggies Pro Day:

RB Joe Hill, 5'11", 190 lb., ran a blistering 4.26 40.

OT Kevin Whimpey, 6'5", 295 lb., had 39 reps on the bench and was pissed. He was aiming for 45 to 50, which he's done before.

Punter Jaron Bentrude, 6'1", ran a 4.61 40 and had a 36.5" vertical.

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townn...size=760%2C447

kccrow 03-07-2015 12:49 PM
Lol, a guy named Whimpey going for nearly 40 reps. Funny stuff.

Vigil has really grown on me. Came in at 6'2" 236 btw.

Saccopoo 03-07-2015 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11366159)
Lol, a guy named Whimpey going for nearly 40 reps. Funny stuff.

Vigil has really grown on me. Came in at 6'2" 236 btw.
Dude can play.

I think he's one of, if not the best ILB in the draft. He's got a real knack for making the impact play when it needs to be made - and he makes a lot of them. Running a 4.6 and hitting the bench for 26 reps helped him a ton in terms of moving him up the board.

Nightfyre 03-07-2015 04:12 PM
Yea, I don't think bench means a damn thing.

OldSchool 03-07-2015 04:16 PM
If we are taking a WR in the 2nd round, I'd take Agholor over Devin Smith.

redshirt32 03-07-2015 05:03 PM
Its amazing that two highly productive LBs were not invited to the combine, tackling machines the both of them.

OldSchool 03-07-2015 06:25 PM
This sadly made me giggle a bit:

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...t/9957901.jpeg

redshirt32 03-07-2015 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11366919)
Might be the jacket but yea wow

6-5/295
UTAH STATE: The leader among the offensive linemen... A super-strong tackle with a big-frame... Has an NFL-type body... Has good agility and feet after moving over from the defensive line during his redshirt year in 2011.

2013 (JR): Started all 14 games at left tackle... Had an overall performance grade of 83 percent for the season... Graded out at 88 percent in effort, including seven games over 90 percent... Also graded out at 87 percent in assignment, including six games over 90 percent, and 80 percent in technique, including seven games above 80 percent... Finished the season with 35.0 knockdowns, including a season-high eight against BYU (10/4).

2012 (RS-SO): Played in all 13 games, starting 12 at left tackle... Had an overall performance grade of 76 percent for the season... Carried out the right assignment 96 percent of the time, including two games where he graded out at a perfect 100 percent... Graded out above 80 percent five times in total performance, and above 90 percent in all 13 games in assignment... Posted 45.0 knockdowns, including a season-best 7.5 at No. 19 Louisiana Tech (11/17)... Only allowed two sacks during the season.

CleveSteve 03-07-2015 08:10 PM
It's like the end of Bettlejuice, lol.

Saccopoo 03-07-2015 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11366919)
I think it's the suit...

http://www.sltrib.com/csp/mediapool/...YPE=image/jpeg


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