Marty made it within an eyelash of the SB. Hard to blame him for Byner's fumble. Vermeil took two other franchises to the SB. The coach might recommend drafting a DT. Does that really mean he whispered "trade down and pick Junior Siavii" in Carl's ear? And if that's the problem, wouldn't he have put his foot down after over a decade to learn from his mistakes?

I'm sure he's attended.
Probably doesn't even have to pay for tickets.

Marty made it within an eyelash of tying the Broncos, and sending that game to OT.

If that happens, my money's on Elway vs. Marty in OT.

I believe Marty...no let me correct that....Montana in spite of Marty took KC to the AFC Championship as well. Consider that an 'eyelash' as well.

Again, it's pretty clear that CP allows the HC's to make their picks with rare exceptions. Witness the draft pick difference between Marty and DV's tenure.

About 5 years ago there was a 'war room' write up about Gun's pick of Sylvester Morris. It documented how Carl left it to Gun to pull the trigger.

Aside from Larry, Greg Hill was another 'Carl' pick. It's pretty easy to spot those players that werent HC picks. Unless you dont actually read the PC's from said HC's.

OT in the championship game is far closer than he and CP were able to get in KC.

Does anybody have that "draft value chart". It seems like Denver really stuck it to the Jets in that deal.

Just curious.

Couldn't Carl overrule them? If you go on a road trip and allow your wife to navigate, who's fault is it if you get lost? I'd give the majority of blame to you for expecting a woman to correctly read a map. Either Carl picked the players or allowed the coach to evaluate talent for him. The end result is screwed-up draft picks and the GM has to take the heat for that. I doubt Ron Wolf or Rich McKay would've done that.

Chiefs were just one game away with Montana at QB, a fact that Titus has already pointed out.

But, in the end, who cares?

They are all seasons that ended before the SB for every team that Marty has ever coached.

I'm not excusing Carl of his responsibility.

What I am saying is let's give Hermie a chance to work with Carl and see how things shape up before we start making any drastic moves.

On the other hand, I think a lot GMs and coaches work the draft in much the same way as Carl does with his coaches.

The difference is that in some of those cases, the coaching staff has done a better job.

Yes, I guess he could, but he deferred to the coaches whose JOB is to evaluate talent for their system. It's called delegating authority. Now, you may prefer the Jack Steadman model. Funny thing is, regardless, Carl's going to 'take the heat' from geniouses (chiefsplanet spelling) anyway--it's laid out in The Lexicon.

As for other GM's, you named Ron Wolf. If we're going on SB wins only, Wolf's success was due to a FA's not draft picks. Key names include Farve, Desmond Howard (SB MVP) and Reggie White--none of them drafted by the great Ron Wolf.

edit: I forgot Andre Rison, too.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I guess you're going to tell us you're been in the war rooms around the NFL to witness this and know first hand just exactly what they do.

Did you know that ESPN has live draft coverage with cameras in the War Rooms of almost half of the teams? It's pretty neat.

Of course I don't.

You've already stated as much in your other thread, dumbass.

Oh ... I must've missed the one that actually had the GM and the Coach discussing player for player who they are going to get and why? I'm so foolish!