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Discuss Thrower 08-06-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921146)
What if time can simply be avoided?

If, and big if at that, that were possible, then you'd still have to contend with the "space" portion of time travel. Consider how much our earth has moved from today compared to yesterday, then extrapolate that to say 1000 years ago (for the sake of the argument). On top of that, factor in how much the solar system has moved in relation to the galaxy, and how the Milky Way has moved in relationship to the rest of the universe in that span. That's a lot of movement. In essence, the time traveler argument becomes as improbably as the space alien argument. So much energy to go from A to B (and don't say "worm holes") and for what reason.

I'm curious to know what your take on all of this is, and why you harbor it as such; you seem like a fairly logical guy who wouldn't buy any of this pseudo science bullshit. And why you've been coy with the China UFO references. Do you know/think you know something, or are you just trolling? Maybe I guess I just don't see where one gets a kick out of dicking around with people on such topics "just for the lulz."

Pants 08-06-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921177)
Okay, what do you think I think the China UFO was/is?

A time-avoiding craft.

Donger 08-06-2010 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Town Fan 1988 (Post 6921179)
If, and big if at that, that were possible, then you'd still have to contend with the "space" portion of time travel. Consider how much our earth has moved from today compared to yesterday, then extrapolate that to say 1000 years ago (for the sake of the argument). On top of that, factor in how much the solar system has moved in relation to the galaxy, and how the Milky Way has moved in relationship to the rest of the universe in that span. That's a lot of movement. In essence, the time traveler argument becomes as improbably as the space alien argument. So much energy to go from A to B (and don't say "worm holes") and for what reason.

I'm curious to know what your take on all of this is, and why you harbor it as such; you seem like a fairly logical guy who wouldn't buy any of this pseudo science bullshit. And why you've been coy with the China UFO references. Do you know/think you know something, or are you just trolling? Maybe I guess I just don't see where one gets a kick out of dicking around with people on such topics "just for the lulz."

I'm just trolling.

Donger 08-06-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6921181)
A time-avoiding craft.

That is incorrect.

Are you aware of the pollution problem that China has?

Discuss Thrower 08-06-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921190)
That is incorrect.

Are you aware of the pollution problem that China has?

Reflection of street lights off of a thick smog layer?

I'd buy that.

Pants 08-06-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921190)
That is incorrect.

Are you aware of the pollution problem that China has?

Especially over Hung Joe.

beach tribe 08-06-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Param (Post 6921006)
I think that's really the key. We would do it if we could. It does make you wonder what aliens would be doing with the data after discovering earth. Also, maybe they have the same problems as we do. If you're sending a spacecraft that has to travel such a long distance maybe it can only go one way. Hope they're not building a ton of large ships on a one way mission to colonize our planet. Most likely will not happen in my lifetime anyway, but you never know.

You know who I feel sorry for? The poor bastards on the planet that we find in about 250 years.
Honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that there are other, more advanced, civilizations, and that they send probes here. I do have my reservations about whether they would try to come and take our planet, because if they've been watching, they would know that we'd blow the MFer up before we'd let anybody come take it from us.

Donger 08-06-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Town Fan 1988 (Post 6921197)
Reflection of street lights off of a thick smog layer?

I'd buy that.

No, it is a helicopter.

Pants 08-06-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921205)
No, it is a helicopter.

A 234UT in the foggy skies over Hung Joe!

beach tribe 08-06-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Town Fan 1988 (Post 6921179)
If, and big if at that, that were possible, then you'd still have to contend with the "space" portion of time travel. Consider how much our earth has moved from today compared to yesterday, then extrapolate that to say 1000 years ago (for the sake of the argument). On top of that, factor in how much the solar system has moved in relation to the galaxy, and how the Milky Way has moved in relationship to the rest of the universe in that span. That's a lot of movement. In essence, the time traveler argument becomes as improbably as the space alien argument. So much energy to go from A to B (and don't say "worm holes") and for what reason.

I'm curious to know what your take on all of this is, and why you harbor it as such; you seem like a fairly logical guy who wouldn't buy any of this pseudo science bullshit. And why you've been coy with the China UFO references. Do you know/think you know something, or are you just trolling? Maybe I guess I just don't see where one gets a kick out of dicking around with people on such topics "just for the lulz."

Can time be traveled? No.
Can it be bent? Yes. Right along with space.
To travel extreme distances, space-time will have to be compressed in front of you, and expanded behind you. In essence, you could travel faster than light, and never break the theory of relativity, because you really would not be moving at all. This also solves the problem of leaving earth for 5 years at 95% the speed of light, and returning to earth 40 years into the future.
This is not science fiction. Scientists are already speculating on how it will be made possible, and the theory of relativity says that is, indeed, possible.

Donger 08-06-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 6921231)
A 234UT in the foggy skies over Hung Joe!

I don't know what any of that means.

Pants 08-06-2010 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921258)
I don't know what any of that means.

Hangzhou [hungdzhue] = Hung Joe. 234UT = helicopter! Maybe BV-234? Who knows!

Ebolapox 08-06-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 6921106)
I watched an episode of Through the Wormhole the other night and it had a pretty radical but yet very possible explanation for our universe. Everything in our universe can ultimately be broken down into pixels. One scientist proposed an admitedly radical theory that it is not impossible that our universe is a very, very advanced computer program, for lack of a better term. Very similar to Sim City but on a much, much more advanced scale. It cannot be ruled out since the data he provides is fairly sound in the theory. But as I said, he seemed to admit it is a pretty radical thought.

douglas adams called. he says you stole his idea.

Param 08-06-2010 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6921199)
You know who I feel sorry for? The poor bastards on the planet that we find in about 250 years.
Honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that there are other, more advanced, civilizations, and that they send probes here. I do have my reservations about whether they would try to come and take our planet, because if they've been watching, they would know that we'd blow the MFer up before we'd let anybody come take it from us.

Yes, because humans would show no pity on another life form, especially if it was inferior.

I, as well, have no doubt alien life form exist out there. If you just run simple calculations the possibility another life form exist is very high. My only reason as to why they would come & colonize our planet is because they are somehow out of resources and need a new planet to live & harvest. Obviously, if their tech and their intelligence is superior to ours, they would probably know it's probably not the easiest place to colonize because they would face resistance. Might just be easier to find another planet with less resistance and free to do as they please. Maybe war & extermination is not their goal since they would be highly more advance than us.

Sweet Daddy Hate 08-07-2010 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 6921055)
If you people only knew what "they" really are.

Genetically engineered monkeys who do the bidding of their humanoid masters FTW!


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