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Old 08-06-2010, 10:36 AM  
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Did Churchill Order a UFO Cover-Up?

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There's no doubt that Winston Churchill had his share of secrets. When you're leading a world power during wartime, classified information come with the territory. But did one of his closely held secrets have to do with "little green men"? A new report contends that the English Bulldog may have played a part in a UFO cover-up.

It's a conspiracy theory worthy of the "X-Files," and it goes like this: Churchill, then the prime minister, apparently ordered a cover-up of an encounter between a Royal Air Force bomber and an unidentified flying object during World War II. The reason: Churchill feared that news of the incident would create public panic and a loss of faith in religion.

The Daily Telegraph explains that Churchill is reported to "have made the orders during a secret war meeting with U.S. General Dwight Eisenhower, the then commander of the Allied Forces, at an undisclosed location in America during the latter part of the conflict." He ordered that the information remain secret for a period of 50 years.

Video rewind: UFO sighted over Chinese airport

So, who is claiming that Churchill ordered the cover-up? The U.K.'s National Archives, which hosts the newly released documents, works through how the news came to light.

Apparently, Churchill's order was overheard by one of his bodyguards. The man, also a member of the Royal Air Force, kept the secret to himself for years, but told his daughter at some point, and told his wife on his deathbed in 1973. The man's daughter later told her son (the bodyguard's grandson, for those of you keeping score), and he inquired about the incident with the Ministry of Defense in 1999. That inquiry made it into the files that were made public on Thursday.

According to the report, the crew of the plane did manage to take photographs of the UFO, which "hovered noiselessly" near their plane before zooming away. Alas, the photos, if they do indeed exist, were not released.

Decades later, it's still not known if the UFO was actually a UFO or something more earthbound. Initially, some theorized that the object was a missile. However, a weapons expert, who was present at the infamous meeting, was reported to have remarked that no missile could stop and hover. Such a thing was "totally beyond any imagined capabilities of the time."

Not surprisingly, the report inspired an avalanche of Web searches. Online lookups for "churchill ufo" and "churchill ufo coverup" both shot skyward, posting breakout gains in the Search box. If Churchill did indeed intend for this to be kept quiet, he did a good job for a long time. But now, the UFO is out of the bag... big time.
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Old 08-06-2010, 10:51 AM   #2
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Interesting stuff. Would be nice to see the photos.
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"which "hovered noiselessly" near their plane before zooming away. Alas, the photos, if they do indeed exist, were not released."

I would like to see the photos if the UFO was that close to the pilot.
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July 8, 1947.

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Subject: Research Findings on the Chihuahua Disk Crash
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On 25 Aug 74, at 2207 hrs, US Air Defense radar detected an unknown
approaching US airspace from the Gulf of Mexico. Originally the
object was tracked at 2,200 (2530 mph) knots on a bearing of 325
degrees and at an altitude of 75,000 feet, a course that would
intercept US territory about forty miles southwest of Corpus
Cristi, Texas. After approximately sixty seconds of observation,
at a position 155 miles southeast of Corpus Cristi, the object
simultaneously decelerated to approximately 1700 (1955 mph) knots,
turned to a heading of 290 degrees, and began a slow descent. It
entered Mexican airspace approximately forty miles south of
Brownsville, Texas. Radar tracked it approximately 500 miles to a
point near the town of Coyame, in the state of Chihuahua, not far
from the US border. There the object suddenly disappeared from the
radar screens.

During the flight over Mexican airspace, the object leveled off at
45,000 feet, then descended to 20,000 feet. The descent was in
level steps, not a smooth curve or straight line, and each level
was maintained for approximately five minutes.

The object was tracked by two different military radar
installations. It would have been within range of Brownsville
civilian radar, but it is assumed that no civilian radar detected
the object due to a lack of any such reports.

The point of disappearance from the radar screens was over a barren
and sparsely populated area of Northern Mexico. At first it was
assumed that the object had descended below the radar's horizon and
a watch was kept for any re-emergence of the object. None
occurred.

At first it was assumed that the object might be a meteor because
of the high speed and descending flight path. But meteors normally
travel at higher speeds, and descend in a smooth arc, not in
"steps." And meteors do not normally make a thirty-five degree
change in course. Shortly after detection an air defense alert was
called. However, before any form of interception could be
scrambled, the object turned to a course that would not immediately
take it over US territory. The alert was called off within twenty
minutes after the object's disappearance from the radar screen.

Fifty-two minutes after the disappearance, civilian radio traffic
indicated that a civilian aircraft had gone down in that area. But
it was clear that the missing aircraft had departed El Paso
International with a destination of Mexico City, and could not,
therefore, have been the object tracked over the Gulf of Mexico.

It was noted, however, that they both disappeared in the same area
and at the same time.

With daylight the next day, Mexican authorities began a search for
the missing plane. Approximately 1035 hrs there came a radio
report that wreckage from the missing plane had been spotted from
the air. Almost immediately came a report of a second plane on the
ground a few miles from the first. A few minutes later an
additional report stated that the second "plane" was circular
shaped and apparently in one piece although damaged. A few minutes
after that the Mexican military clamped a radio silence on all
search efforts.

The radio interceptions were reported through channels to the CIA.
Possibly as many as two additional government agencies also
received reports, but such has not been confirmed as of this date.
The CIA immediately began forming a recovery team. The speed with
which this team and its equipment was assembled suggests that this
was either a well-rehearsed exercise or one that had been performed
prior to this event.

In the meantime requests were initiated at the highest levels
between the United States and Mexican governments that the US
recovery team be allowed onto Mexican territory to "assist." These
requests were met with professed ignorance and a flat refusal of
any cooperation.

By 2100 hrs, 26 Aug 74, the recovery team had assembled and been
staged at Fort Bliss. Several helicopters were flown in from some
unknown source and assembled in a secured area. These helicopters
were painted a neutral sand color and bore no markings. Eye
witness indicates that there were three smaller craft, very
probably UHl Hueys from the description. There was also a larger
helicopter, possibly a Sea Stallion. Personnel from this team
remained with their craft and had no contact with other Ft. Bliss
personnel.

Satellite and recognizance aircraft overflight that day indicated
that both the crashed disk and the civilian aircraft had been
removed from the crash sites and loaded on flat bed trucks. Later
flights confirmed that the convoy had departed the area heading
south.

At that point the CIA had to make a choice, either to allow this
unknown aircraft to stay in the hands of the Mexican government, or
to launch the recovery team, supplemented by any required military
support, to take the craft. There occurred, however, an event that
took the choice out of their hands. High altitude overflights
indicated that the convoy had stopped before reaching any inhabited
areas or major roads. Recon showed no activity, and radio contact
between the Mexican recovery team and its headquarters had ceased.
A low altitude, high speed overflight was ordered.

The photos returned by that aircraft showed all trucks and jeeps
stopped, some with open doors, and two human bodies laying on the
ground beside two vehicles. The decision was immediately made to
launch the recovery team but the actual launching was held up for
the arrival of additional equipment and two additional personnel.
It was not until 1438 hrs that the helicopters departed Ft. Bliss.

The four helicopters followed the boarder down towards Presido then
turned and entered Mexican airspace north of Candelaria. They were
over the convoy site at 1653 hrs. All convoy personnel were dead,
most within the trucks. Some recovery team members, dressed
bioprotection suits, reconfigured the straps holding the object on
the flatbed truck, then attached them to a cargo cable from the Sea
Stallion. By 1714 hrs the recovered object was on its way to US
territory. Before leaving the convoy site, members of the recovery
team gathered together the Mexican vehicles and bodies, then
destroyed all with high explosives. This included the pieces of
the civilian light plane which had been involved in the mid-air
collision. At 1746 hrs the Hueys departed.

The Hueys caught up with the Sea Stallion as it reentered US
airspace. The recovery team then proceeded to a point in the
Davis Mountains, approximately twenty-five miles north east of
Valentine. There they landed and waited until 0225 hrs the next
morning. At that time they resumed the flight and rendezvoused
with a small convoy on a road between Van Horn and Kent. The
recovered disk was transferred to a truck large enough to handle it
and capable of being sealed totally. Some of the personnel from
the Huey's transferred to the convoy.

All helicopters then returned to their original bases for
decontamination procedures. The convoy continued non-stop, using
back roads and smaller highways, and staying away from cities. The
destination of the convoy reportedly was Altanta, Georgia.

Here the hard evidence thins out. One unconfirmed report says the
disk was eventually transferred to Wright-Patterson AF Base.
Another says that the disk was either transferred after that to
another unnamed base, or was taken directly to this unknown base
directly from Atlanta.

The best description of the disk was that it was sixteen feet, five
inches in diameter, convex on both upper and lower surfaces to the
same degree, possessing no visible doors or windows. The thickness
was slightly less than five feet. The color was silver, much like
polished steel. There were no visible lights nor any propulsion
means. There were no markings. There were two areas of the rim
that showed damage, one showing an irregular hole approximately
twelve inches in diameter with indented material around it. The
other damage was described as a "dent" about two feet wide. The
weight of the object was estimated as approximately one thousand,
five hundred pounds, based on the effect of the weight on the
carrying helicopter and those who transferred it to the truck.

There was no indication in the documentation available as to
whether anything was visible in the "hole."

It seems likely that the damage with the hole was caused by the
collision with the civilian aircraft. That collision occurred
while the object was traveling approximately 1700 knots (1955 mph).
Even ignoring the speed of the civilian aircraft, the impact would
have been considerable at that speed. This is in agreement with
the description of the civilian aircraft as being "almost totally
destroyed." What was being taken from the crash site was pieces of
the civilian aircraft.

The second damage may have resulted when the object impacted with
the ground. The speed in that case should have been considerably
less than that of the first impact.

No mention is made of the occupants of the civilian aircraft. It
is not known if any body or bodies were recovered. Considering the
destruction of the civilian light aircraft in mid-air, bodies may
well not have come down near the larger pieces.

Unfortunately what caused the deaths of the Mexican recovery team
is not known. Speculation ranges from a chemical released from the
disk as a result of the damage, to a microbiological agent. There
are no indications of death or illness by any of the recovery team.
It would not have been illogical for the recovery team to have
taken one of the bodies back with them for anaylsis. But there is
no indication of that having happen. Perhaps they did not have
adquate means of transporting what might have been a biologically
contaminated body.
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Old 08-06-2010, 12:36 PM   #12
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"which "hovered noiselessly" near their plane before zooming away. Alas, the photos, if they do indeed exist, were not released."

I would like to see the photos if the UFO was that close to the pilot.
Several pilots, commercial and military, along with air traffic controllers have reported several legitimate UFO sightings and encounters for decades. They are quickly shoved under the rug, personel told not to talk and we get stories of weather baloons and hovering missiles.

Now call me crazy, but I don't think any ole' whackjob is allowed behind the controls of aircraft. These are credible, intelligent people.
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Yeah but those guys were really illegal
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