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chop 10-01-2007 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE
We HAVE to throw the ball 30 times a game right now. I don't trust Croyle. I trust Huard. He's not making dumb decisions.


You've just lost any credibility with me with this comment.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2007 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe
You are exactly right. It is an OPINION my friend.

Just like the one you have of Huard. Simma down.

I didn't state an opinion of Huard, did I?

I only rebuffed your egregious claims of Croyle's invincibility.

chop 10-01-2007 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc
Hyperbole much?

Huard was handed the job. He wasn't even given the opportunity to fail thanks to a fabricated "injury". Because, lest we forget, when he did play in the preseason, he turned the ball over After that, shockingly, he didn't play. He was "hurt".

In other words, he was protected so there wouldn't be a controversy.

The reality is that Croyle made what amounts to two bad decisions in the preseason. He also led the only scoring drive the 1's had, and looked amazing doing it.

That's called "inexperience", a problem which is not cured on the sidelines. You don't gain confidence on the sideline. You don't learn to recognize defenses at game speed on the sideline. You don't become a leader in the huddle on the sideline. You don't earn your team's respect on the sideline.

We haven't gotten anything from Huard that we wouldn't have gotten from Croyle. Poor throws into heavy coverage? Check. Receivers nearly decapitated because he regularly hangs them out to dry? Check. He hasn't done any of his vaunted "game management," throwing 5 picks, all of which were either poor throws or poor decisions.

Most of the notable plays in the second half against San Diego were balls that should never have been thrown in the first place, receivers making amazing plays to bail him out. Ditto for last week. Thank god for Dwayne Bowe, or we'd probably be sitting here at 0-4, in full meltdown mode. Because reality is that Huard is not an NFL starting calibre quarterback.

That said, you don't change QBs when you're winning. The real shame is that they started the season with him. Hopefully it's not going to set us back in '08, when we're scratching our collective heads wondering why Croyle doesn't look any better than he did in preseason '07.

:bravo: :thumb:

chiefsfan1963 10-01-2007 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe
Thank you captain obvious.

We all know this, but what does it change......not a damn thing....

I know, we should write another 5000 posts that say we need a new front office, that will get results.

It wont satifsy me either, but I still want to get there and see what happens.

If you dont think we are good enough to win it all, how exactly are we being fooled?


You prove my point exactly. This why CP is still GM for the CHiefs.

beach tribe 10-01-2007 01:09 PM

Im not trying to bash Huard either. I think hes doing well.

beach tribe 10-01-2007 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
You prove my point exactly. This why CP is still GM for the CHiefs.

What?

You think I have anything to do with the reason CP is still in office? Ive never even been to a game. Dude, you are delusional.

beach tribe 10-01-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
I didn't state an opinion of Huard, did I?

I only rebuffed your egregious claims of Croyle's invincibility.

I am not the one you quoted silly.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe
I am not the one you quoted silly.

My apologies.

beach tribe 10-01-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
My apologies.

Its cool.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2007 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
You prove my point exactly. This why CP is still GM for the CHiefs.

This is NOT why Carl Peterson is "still" the GM for the Chiefs.

Carl Peterson is the GM for the Chiefs, not because of public opinion, but because he puts a competitive franchise on the field, year in and year out.

If the mandate from the ownership was to win a championship, then Peterson would have been fired long ago.

Peterson is the GM because the Hunt family clearly respects and likes the results under Peterson.

Regardless of fan apathy.

chiefsfan1963 10-01-2007 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe
What?

You think I have anything to do with the reason CP is still in office? Ive never even been to a game. Dude, you are delusional.

No. When you say "I still want to get there and see what happens" you have proven my point in my last post regarding how CP teases Chief fans. You settle for the hope that by making the playoffs your team has a chance to go the distance. Instead I believe making the playoffs is not necessarily a goal but a step. The real goal of a GM is to build a championship team that wins multiple SB's in a decade.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-01-2007 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
This is NOT why Carl Peterson is "still" the GM for the Chiefs.

Carl Peterson is the GM for the Chiefs, not because of public opinion, but because he puts a competitive franchise on the field, year in and year out.

If the mandate from the ownership was to win a championship, then Peterson would have been fired long ago.

Peterson is the GM because the Hunt family clearly respects and likes the results under Peterson.

Regardless of fan apathy.

Competitive for what?? The final wild card spot? If we are so consistently competitive, why was CP begging the owners to expand the playoffs? So that the 8-8 teams could get in?

We've had 4 competitive teams in Peterson's 19 years....93, 95, 97, and '03. That is not a consistently competitive team. It's not even close.

chiefsfan1963 10-01-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
This is NOT why Carl Peterson is "still" the GM for the Chiefs.

Carl Peterson is the GM for the Chiefs, not because of public opinion, but because he puts a competitive franchise on the field, year in and year out.

If the mandate from the ownership was to win a championship, then Peterson would have been fired long ago.

Peterson is the GM because the Hunt family clearly respects and likes the results under Peterson.

Regardless of fan apathy.

You are right. I've said this as well. Lamar Family have no passion to win SB's they have better things to do.

beach tribe 10-01-2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963
No. When you say "I still want to get there and see what happens" you have proven my point in my last post regarding how CP teases Chief fans. You settle for the hope that by making the playoffs your team has a chance to go the distance. Instead I believe making the playoffs is not necessarily a goal but a step. The real goal of a GM is to build a championship team that wins multiple SB's in a decade.

Thats the goal.

But my love for the Chiefs, and desire for them to succeed, doesnt have shit to do with CP keeping his job.

DaneMcCloud 10-01-2007 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins
Competitive for what?? The final wild card spot? If we are so consistently competitive, why was CP begging the owners to expand the playoffs? So that the 8-8 teams could get in?

We've had 4 competitive teams in Peterson's 19 years....93, 95, 97, and '03. That is not a consistently competitive team. It's not even close.

Hey dude, I'm not the owner.

If the Hunts were unhappy with Peterson's performance, it's within their rights to fire him.

Clearly, after 19 years, they're not ready to make that move.

Get over it.


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