Croyle deserves the Roethlisberger treatment

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2007, 10:09 PM

And no, I don't mean breaking his face on someone's bumper.

I still think that this team will do more to help itself in the long run if Brodie is our starter.

I think that most of us are willing to admit that our two weak links on offense today were Kyle Turley and Huard. Huard made ok decisions for the most part, but he still checked down too much, IMO, and he made some really poor throws. Turley got his bitch ass yanked, and for the future of the franchise, hopefully Huard's time is soon.

Croyle will make mistakes, but Huard isn't exactly giving us Montana-like precision either. We have two options in the passing game, which is perfect for a young QB. If he can't find D-Bowe or Tony, he can check down, and his arm and legs allow us to do things we can't with Huard.

If we can let Brodie be a game-managing QB this year (which is essentially what Huard is), then we might be able to be competitive for several years.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-30-2007, 10:11 PM

Great idea!

First, the Chief need to sign Tommy Maddox and as soon as he's injured, they can put in Croyle!

talastan · 09-30-2007, 10:13 PM

Already bought my Croyle jersey, gotta support my adopted Chief and his wife!!

Seriously I agree with you on this one Hamas. I think this new "Air Herm" offense would benefit from having a more mobile and faster throwing QB. With Huard play today he showed some prowess, but with Brodie you get something that Huard lacks, Speed. Both in his mobility and in his zipping passes.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Great idea!

First, the Chief need to sign Tommy Maddox and as soon as he's injured, they can put in Croyle!

What are we doing with Huard right now offense-wise that we can't do with Brodie?

What can we do with Brodie that we can't do with Damon?

**Buehler445** · 09-30-2007, 10:15 PM

I agree. Add in the fact that Huard is turning the ball over a lot...

Hammock Parties · 09-30-2007, 10:16 PM

How did Huard check down too much? The running backs caught a total of four passes. And LJ was so wide open on one he took it for 14 yards, clearly a wise decision by Huard.

I don't think he's a weak link at all. Roethlisberger succeeded early because the Steelers had a DOMINANT offensive line and running game...right now we don't have that. We need a guy that can throw it 30 times a game and execute a balanced gameplan. Croyle's gonna need to be eased in a little more.

Hammock Parties · 09-30-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

I agree. Add in the fact that Huard is turning the ball over a lot...

Huard has five interceptions, but two of them are on the receivers. He's not turning it over "a lot." And he fumbled for the first time today.

RedThat · 09-30-2007, 10:17 PM

Huard has REALLY impressed me in the 2nd half of these last 2 games.

A lot of people want Croyle, but hey lets give Damon some credit here. He's looked great in the 2nd half in the last 2 games that should tell us something?

he can play well under pressure and responds. I don't think anyone can say he hasn't been an intergral part of our last 2 wins because he has.

Other than that one pick in the 2nd half today by SD, which imo was a great defensive play, well read...He played well.

As for the RT, Turley. Yeah he needs to go. RT is more of a concern on this team right now than the QB is imo.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-30-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What are we doing with Huard right now offense-wise that we can't do with Brodie?

What can we do with Brodie that we can't do with Damon?

I don't know. And neither do you.

Croyle couldn't beat out Huard in mini-camp, OTA's and training camp. He's obviously not ready to lead the Chiefs.

No amount of bitching will get him on the field. Huard will either have to perform poorly or be injured. Rooting for either is very unsportsman-like and very uncool.

Croyle will be the starting QB in 2008. That much is certain. In the meantime, how about enjoying a few Chiefs victories?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

How did Huard check down too much? The running backs caught a total of four passes. And LJ was so wide open on one he took it for 14 yards, clearly a wise decision by Huard.

I don't think he's a weak link at all. Roethlisberger succeeded early because the Steelers had a DOMINANT offensive line and running game...right now we don't have that. We need a guy that can throw it 30 times a game and execute a balanced gameplan. Croyle's gonna need to be eased in a little more.

It's not just completions, it's where he looks to throw. There was one swing pass on 3rd and 8 I believe...He hit his fifth step, looked at his primary, then immediately tried to swing it out (incomplete).

HE does entirely too much of that shit.

I'm not saying we need to run the same style of team as Pitt, you're taking this too literally. I think we need to develop Brodie as a game manager this year and then unleash him next year.

We still can't open it up with Huard due to his limitations. It's readily obvious. He had one long completion that was through the air, and that was a poor decision on the lob to Tony. The rest of the stuff was remarkable YAC work on short passes. Brodie can do that shit just as well, and learn while he's doing it.

Frankie · 09-30-2007, 10:20 PM

I like Huard. Arguably he is the best backup QB in the league. But I'm also on the Croyle bandwagon (as our starter) now that I'm comfortable with the pass protection.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I don't know. And neither do you.

Croyle couldn't beat out Huard in mini-camp, OTA's and training camp. He's obviously not ready to lead the Chiefs.

No amount of bitching will get him on the field. Huard will either have to perform poorly or be injured. Rooting for either is very unsportsman-like and very uncool.

Croyle will be the starting QB in 2008. That much is certain. In the meantime, how about enjoying a few Chiefs victories?

Hey man, I'm aglow about the victory, but I'm also greedy. I don't want these kinds of nice regular season wins to define us. I want playoff wins. We might...might..have that in Croyle. We probably don't in Huard.

Deberg_1990 · 09-30-2007, 10:22 PM

Huard is basically playing for his job every week. Thats a fact.

If hes playing well the Chiefs are winning or will be in every game.
If hes not he will get yanked.

Huards played well when his backs against the wall like it was today.

Is he perfect? Far from it, but he plays within himself and keeps us in the game. At least he doesnt get the INT addiction of Trent Green.

Either way, Ive stopped complaining and worrying about it. Whatever happens, happens....

Hammock Parties · 09-30-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We still can't open it up with Huard due to his limitations. It's readily obvious. He had one long completion that was through the air, and that was a poor decision on the lob to Tony. The rest of the stuff was remarkable YAC work on short passes. Brodie can do that shit just as well, and learn while he's doing it.

Huard throws well in the 15-20 yard range. That is what he did last year with success (and why he was 6th in the league in YPA) and what Green did his entire time here.

I don't see any "limitations" with Huard other than his lack of mobility. The coaching staff FINALLY took the reigns off this passing game the last six quarters and it's paying off.

We need to throw 30 times a game for this offense to be effective. I don't want Brodie doing that right now. If we try to make him "manage the game" and throw it 18-20 times, it's not gonna work, and the running game will suffer.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-30-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Huard throws well in the 15-20 yard range. That is what he did last year with success (and why he was 6th in the league in YPA) and what Green did his entire time here.

I don't see any "limitations" with Huard other than his lack of mobility. The coaching staff FINALLY took the reigns off this passing game the last six quarters and it's paying off.

We need to throw 30 times a game for this offense to be effective. I don't want Brodie doing that right now. If we try to make him "manage the game" and throw it 18-20 times, it's not gonna work, and the running game will suffer.

You deliberately cut out the part of my post that directly negates your last paragraph....

Huard's arm strength is still a big concern. Why risk Bowe getting decapitated on a sailing 20 yard in when Croyle has the arm strength to hit him in stride??

09-30-2007, 10:09 PM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8009572	Croyle deserves the Roethlisberger treatment And no, I don't mean breaking his face on someone's bumper. I still think that this team will do more to help itself in the long run if Brodie is our starter. I think that most of us are willing to admit that our two weak links on offense today were Kyle Turley and Huard. Huard made ok decisions for the most part, but he still checked down too much, IMO, and he made some really poor throws. Turley got his bitch ass yanked, and for the future of the franchise, hopefully Huard's time is soon. Croyle will make mistakes, but Huard isn't exactly giving us Montana-like precision either. We have two options in the passing game, which is perfect for a young QB. If he can't find D-Bowe or Tony, he can check down, and his arm and legs allow us to do things we can't with Huard. If we can let Brodie be a game-managing QB this year (which is essentially what Huard is), then we might be able to be competitive for several years.
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09-30-2007, 10:11 PM	#2
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09-30-2007, 10:13 PM	#3
talastan Manning, we're coming for you! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Springfield, Mo Casino cash: $10004950	Already bought my Croyle jersey, gotta support my adopted Chief and his wife!! Seriously I agree with you on this one Hamas. I think this new "Air Herm" offense would benefit from having a more mobile and faster throwing QB. With Huard play today he showed some prowess, but with Brodie you get something that Huard lacks, Speed. Both in his mobility and in his zipping passes. __________________ Can we please just draft AND DEVELOP a QB - est. since 1983 Check out my band: Truett and the Traitors
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09-30-2007, 10:15 PM	#5
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4720478	How did Huard check down too much? The running backs caught a total of four passes. And LJ was so wide open on one he took it for 14 yards, clearly a wise decision by Huard. I don't think he's a weak link at all. Roethlisberger succeeded early because the Steelers had a DOMINANT offensive line and running game...right now we don't have that. We need a guy that can throw it 30 times a game and execute a balanced gameplan. Croyle's gonna need to be eased in a little more. __________________ Chiefs game films
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09-30-2007, 10:17 PM	#8
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Huard has REALLY impressed me in the 2nd half of these last 2 games. A lot of people want Croyle, but hey lets give Damon some credit here. He's looked great in the 2nd half in the last 2 games that should tell us something? he can play well under pressure and responds. I don't think anyone can say he hasn't been an intergral part of our last 2 wins because he has. Other than that one pick in the 2nd half today by SD, which imo was a great defensive play, well read...He played well. As for the RT, Turley. Yeah he needs to go. RT is more of a concern on this team right now than the QB is imo.
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09-30-2007, 10:20 PM	#11
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	I like Huard. Arguably he is the best backup QB in the league. But I'm also on the Croyle bandwagon (as our starter) now that I'm comfortable with the pass protection.
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09-30-2007, 10:22 PM	#13
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Huard is basically playing for his job every week. Thats a fact. If hes playing well the Chiefs are winning or will be in every game. If hes not he will get yanked. Huards played well when his backs against the wall like it was today. Is he perfect? Far from it, but he plays within himself and keeps us in the game. At least he doesnt get the INT addiction of Trent Green. Either way, Ive stopped complaining and worrying about it. Whatever happens, happens.... __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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