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NaptownChief 01-10-2011 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 7342873)
Sorry, but that's a bullshit excuse.

Dude wasn't too hurt to take a pass in the flat 15 yards early in the 3rd quarter.

Dude wasn't too hurt to call a toss sweep for him on 4th and a goddamn foot.

Dude wasn't too hurt to be picking up blitzes in pass protection in the 2nd half.

It's a cover-your-ass excuse, and nothing more.


If he was hurt then TV did the worst job in history of covering it. Guy who was the star of the first half gets hurt and they aren't talking about it?

Hootie 01-10-2011 05:20 PM

Unlike everyone else...I thought the 4th and 1 call was the right call...charles in space had been working all day. Crennel on the other hand...he flat pissed me off with his conservative "bend don't break" bullshit...the playcalling after the 4th and 1 turned awful but I was ok with that call and people are mad because we didn't execute...so regardless of what was called it would be getting blasted today for not working...if charles takes that pitch for another score the staff are heroes.

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jd1020 01-10-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7343833)
Unlike everyone else...I thought the 4th and 1 call was the right call...charles in space had been working all day. Crennel on the other hand...he flat pissed me off with his conservative "bend don't break" bullshit...the playcalling after the 4th and 1 turned awful but I was ok with that call and people are mad because we didn't execute...so regardless of what was called it would be getting blasted today for not working...if charles takes that pitch for another score the staff are heroes.

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Why risk running outside when you have a foot to go?

Hootie 01-10-2011 05:25 PM

Haloti ngata...we were running outside all game...I was even shouting pitch left before the play was called...the ravens loaded up heavy left so cassel probably audibled right (maybe not) and it got stopped....I was so disappointed in the game and the effort displayed but this call wasn't a bad call at all it just wasn't executed.

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Phobia 01-10-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7342075)
We have Charles, Moeaki, and that worthless midget McCluster....why couldn't we run that short middle stuff that the Ravens were killing us with?

And we couldn't throw a simple slant to Bowe?....Really?

I don't know if this has been mentioned but that was Jon McGraw all day. I don't think the Ravens have one of those positions on their defense - whatever position it is that he plays.

jd1020 01-10-2011 05:29 PM

Still doesnt make sense to run a pitch with a foot to go to extend the drive. It wasnt even a true pitch. It was an inside fake then a pitch. Christ... run an I-form with Battle leading the way and take your pick. 1) Let Battle blow up the inside or 2) Run Charles right behind him.

Hootie 01-10-2011 05:30 PM

I don't think its as easy as you're trying to paint it...we gained yards on that sweep every time in the 1st half...we weren't running inside at all because it wasn't gonna be there...just my opinion of course.

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'Hamas' Jenkins 01-10-2011 05:31 PM

That was not an audible. No QB ever audibles to a toss sweep on 4th and a foot, you ****ing moron. Do you ever not just make shit up as you go?

Besides, the guy who blew the play up wasn't Ngata, it was Gregg. And a toss sweep is a terrible call when you have a 10 man front because there is nowhere for the RB to go. There is no illusion or threat of a pass there.

The right call was to pound it up Waters' ass using Asamoah or Smith as a lead blocker.

the Talking Can 01-10-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 7343850)
I don't know if this has been mentioned but that was Jon McGraw all day. I don't think the Ravens have one of those positions on their defense - whatever position it is that he plays.

heh...true enough...


and DJ got humiliated by Rice all day

Hootie 01-10-2011 05:35 PM

I didn't say cassel audibled the play...just may have flipped it from a run left to a run right because the ravens overloaded the left side of the field and the right looked open...I was highly critical of the game plan but this was the one thing that didn't piss me off...but hey hamas...no big deal you have all the answers...charles wasn't gaining 10 yards a pop on outside runs up until that point or anything...maybe pioli can read this thread and replace weis with you since you're such an offensive mastermind

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Phobia 01-10-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 7343870)
heh...true enough...


and DJ got humiliated by Rice all day

DJ had a couple of nice sticks but other than that he was bad all day. Bad angles, bad wrapping up, bad, bad, bad.

'Hamas' Jenkins 01-10-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7343880)
I didn't say cassel audibled the play...just may have flipped it from a run left to a run right because the ravens overloaded the left side of the field and the right looked open...I was highly critical of the game plan but this was the one thing that didn't piss me off...but hey hamas...no big deal you have all the answers...charles wasn't gaining 10 yards a pop on outside runs up until that point or anything...maybe pioli can read this thread and replace weis with you since you're such an offensive mastermind

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Because you should always run an outside play that takes three seconds to develop when the defense is selling out against the run.

You know why teams don't run toss sweeps on G2G from the one? Same reason. It's also far more complicated to flip a toss sweep than it is an off tackle play because of the pulling guards. We didn't have the same hesitation that would indicate such a check before the snap.

Ming the Merciless 01-10-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd (Post 7342878)
You are the guy that called Clark Hunt cheap n00b! Just which players would you have added from free agency this year?

If he was cheap would he have paid for Pioli, Haley, Wiess and Crennel, probably the most expensive staff in the NFL? After paying off Herm and Galey?

See it just don't wash call him cheap. Now, if after the CBA is done, and they are the lowest, then we have a problem.

Bold Part: Well, in terms of salary 2010, he was THE CHEAPEST. You really can't get cheaper than that , can you? I also do agree about the CBA...I fully fully expect his spending to increase after a new CBA is reached. That is what I was trying to say with my original post. I have also said it before , even months ago that I 100% have faith in him to open his wallet after this mess w/the CBA is over.

I agree 1000000% that the problem will be when the CBA is agreed on, and if we still are say in the bottom half of spending. I'd like to see us rise to about the middle....if we remain in the bottom I will feel like we have a problem.

I think you and I are pretty much in agreement from how I am reading it...I fully meant my comments to be directed at 'when the player VS owner problems are setteled.'

Hootie 01-10-2011 05:46 PM

Oh really? I saw the eagles run a toss sweep to mccoy on 4th and 1 against the giants (I think) in a pivotal part of the game that went for a 50 yard td...but no teams do that...except for those shitty chiefs with the best outside runner in the nfl...if there was any reason not to run that play it is because it was predictable...as I was begging for a toss left before they ran the play...in my opinion...it was a good call...and after it wasn't executed it was the last even debatablely good call of the game on offense or defense.

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jd1020 01-10-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon (Post 7343903)
Oh really? I saw the eagles run a toss sweep to mccoy on 4th and 1 against the giants (I think) in a pivotal part of the game that went for a 50 yard td...but no teams do that...except for those shitty chiefs with the best outside runner in the nfl...if there was any reason not to run that play it is because it was predictable...as I was begging for a toss left before they ran the play...in my opinion...it was a good call...and after it wasn't executed it was the last even debatablely good call of the game on offense or defense.

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Not even Todd Haley agrees with you.


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