In them first 10 years, how many superbowls did he go to and how many play off wins? I'd definately take that. Remember who elway had around him as recievers early in his career. They were not good players. They were pretty ****ing terrible. As was their running backs.

And how many top 10 defenses?

Again, Elway was NOT that team.

For reference, here are Elway's performances in those Super Bowls.

Super Bowl 21
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 22 37 304 8.2 1 1 54 83.6

Super Bowl 22
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 14 38 257 6.8 1 3 56 36.8

Super Bowl 24
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 10 26 108 4.2 0 2 27 19.4

Super Bowl 32*
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 12 22 123 5.6 0 1 36 51.9

*Willful and illegal violations of the salary cap produced unfair advantages for the team in this year.

Super Bowl 33*
Cmp Att Yds Y/A TD Int Lng Rate
John Elway 18 29 336 11.6 1 1 80 99.2

*Willful and illegal violations of the salary cap produced unfair advantages for the team in this year.


In total, he went 76 of 152 for 1,128 yards, 3 TDs, and 8 Ints in Super Bowls. This equates to an average game of 15 for 30 for 226 yards, 0 TDs and 2 Ints.

His overall QB rating in Super Bowls was 59.3. Yeah, that's a clutch player.

ROFL Nobodies fans gets more Bent Out Shape over hearing the truth about their QB than Donkey Fans do with Horseface.

In the first year that the Broncos were given a Super Bowl trophy (which was not later reclaimed once the willful and illegal salary cap violations were revealed), the Broncos played in four postseason games. Elway's pass yardage in those games? 223, 170, 210, and 123.

In the second year that the Broncos were given a Super Bowl trophy (which was not later reclaimed once the willful and illegal salary cap violations were revealed), the Broncos played in three postseason games. Elway's pass yardage in those games? 182, 173, and 336 (25% of which came on one play).

When the Broncos were given the Super Bowl trophies (prior to discover of their willful and illegal salary cap violations), they did so in spite of Elway, not because of him. He had been relegated primarily to handoffs.

As a point of reference, Tyler Palko's QB rating this year was 59.8. So in five Super Bowls, Elway played at a level slightly below what we saw from Palko this year.

Ok gochiefs wanna be LMAO

actually I'm much more of a Rain Man wanna be - able to rip Horseface with my fellow Chiefs Fans publicly without getting hassled for it.

Way to troll in and take that away from me, you really are a Shit Fan. and a Gochiefs Wannabe, hell you put me to shame.

Rain Man is one of my favorite posters and he and I can agree to disagree because he has earned my respect and everyone else's on this site. You on the other hand are a forgettable gnat on this site. Playing the you are not a real fan card LMAO

For those who state that Elway carried the Broncos, note this fact:

In the six years before Elway forced himself onto the team, the Broncos' record was 50-33 and they made three playoff appearances. They were averaging roughly 9.6 wins per season, and that's including the strike season where everything was weird.

In the six years after he threw his tantrum, the Broncos' record was 62-32, or roughly 10.3 wins per season, with four playoff appearances.

The team was successful before he arrived, and improved slightly after he arrived, which I attribute primarily to the arrival of Karl Mecklenburg. One could argue that he benefitted more than the team because he was the only #1 pick who got to go to a winning team right off the bat. Legitimate players who went to the teams that drafted them faced a tougher path - guys like Jim Plunkett, Peyton Manning, Tim Couch, David Carr, and so on. I really respect those guys for doing the right thing.

Pretty Full Of Your Self to be insinuating that Chiefs Fans on a Chiefs Site have to earn the respect of a Chokeland fan in order to have to priveledge of disagreeing with him.

I have to imagine there are definitely a lot of Chiefs Fans out there that can agree with me on that...

Nice try to spin what I said shitbag.

I think the key issue here is not who's right and who's wrong. The key issue is that Elway was a bum. Can we all agree on that?

I know I can. Not to mention a Dirtbag Choke of a Cheater.

Ok Rain Man I will resort to my old feelings of hate back when he played and I will join you in this moment of hate :thumb: