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RunKC 12-28-2014 07:10 PM

Prewitt has played FS and SS single high, is a good tackler and an enforcer.

We need our own Kam Chancellor and this guy is as close as it gets. Would love the pick.

OldSchool 12-29-2014 02:56 AM

Like the top 4 but Anderson can be a bit too "Avery" for me.

kccrow 12-29-2014 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 11226442)
Like the top 4 but Anderson can be a bit too "Avery" for me.

Yep. Anderson is exactly what his dad was, big play or nothing generally. Not bad for a guy you can bring in as a #3 or #4 or something, but I'm not sure he's a guy you're going to add to a roster hoping he's going to save you as a #1 or #2.

the Talking Can 12-29-2014 06:55 PM

Great draft even though it gross to continue using first round picks on ol...for a joke like Smith


I'd take white (wr), if there, over anyone

Saccopoo 12-29-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 11228032)
Yep. Anderson is exactly what his dad was, big play or nothing generally. Not bad for a guy you can bring in as a #3 or #4 or something, but I'm not sure he's a guy you're going to add to a roster hoping he's going to save you as a #1 or #2.

To me, that's exactly what this offense needs. You've got short/mid reliability in the TE's, Charles, Sherman, Bowe, etc. They have guys who can move the chains methodically. They need a guy that can get down the field, high point the ball and break one off in the defenses ass.

Bowe (if he restructures), Avant (re-sign), Albert Wilson, DeAnthony Thomas, and add Dres Anderson and Phillip Dorsett. That's some explosion right there.

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 11228043)
Great draft even though it gross to continue using first round picks on ol...for a joke like Smith


I'd take white (wr), if there, over anyone

I like White a lot. He's been a man amongst boys for most of this past season. However, he's been in an offense that gives it's WR a lot of extra yardage and numbers. I think you have to take White with a little grain of salt in terms of giving him just a cursory look.

And I don't look at this draft as "continuing to use first round picks on the offensive line." Fisher was basically a consensus top three pick that year, to go along with another in Joeckel. Just not a top heavy draft in a year where we have the first pick. However, we all know that there are serious holes on the offensive line and they need to be addressed regardless of who our QB is, whether it's Smith, Bray, Murray, Daniel or whoever. RT and LG are serious priorities and where the Chiefs are picking, a guy like La'el Collins is as good a pick as they could possibly make regardless of need. When you factor in the "need" situation, it's a great pick.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the following players:

Eddie Goldman, DT; Florida State
Danny Shelton, DT; Washington
PJ Williams, CB; Florida State
Kevin White, WR; West Virginia
Trae Waynes, CB; Michigan State (reminds me of Dale Carter actually)
La'el Collins, OL; LSU

I'd take Brandon Schreff as well, but I don't think he's going to be available. I'm not as high on either Jaleen Strong or Devante Parker as White, and I do think that Anderson has a chance to be as good as those guys at the next level.

kccrow 12-29-2014 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11228224)
To me, that's exactly what this offense needs. You've got short/mid reliability in the TE's, Charles, Sherman, Bowe, etc. They have guys who can move the chains methodically. They need a guy that can get down the field, high point the ball and break one off in the defenses ass.

Bowe (if he restructures), Avant (re-sign), Albert Wilson, DeAnthony Thomas, and add Dres Anderson and Phillip Dorsett. That's some explosion right there.



I like White a lot. He's been a man amongst boys for most of this past season. However, he's been in an offense that gives it's WR a lot of extra yardage and numbers. I think you have to take White with a little grain of salt in terms of giving him just a cursory look.

And I don't look at this draft as "continuing to use first round picks on the offensive line." Fisher was basically a consensus top three pick that year, to go along with another in Joeckel. Just not a top heavy draft in a year where we have the first pick. However, we all know that there are serious holes on the offensive line and they need to be addressed regardless of who our QB is, whether it's Smith, Bray, Murray, Daniel or whoever. RT and LG are serious priorities and where the Chiefs are picking, a guy like La'el Collins is as good a pick as they could possibly make regardless of need. When you factor in the "need" situation, it's a great pick.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the following players:

Eddie Goldman, DT; Florida State
Danny Shelton, DT; Washington
PJ Williams, CB; Florida State
Kevin White, WR; West Virginia
Trae Waynes, CB; Michigan State (reminds me of Dale Carter actually)
La'el Collins, OL; LSU

I'd take Brandon Schreff as well, but I don't think he's going to be available. I'm not as high on either Jaleen Strong or Devante Parker as White, and I do think that Anderson has a chance to be as good as those guys at the next level.

Agree with you on Anderson. I've asked about his recovery and do like him as a player. I think offenses need some guys that can explode for big ones. Anderson has a lot to like, just not enough to take any higher than where you have him here. I'm not bitching about the pick obviously. I think we're on the same page as to what he is. I think Dorsett has more potential as that consistent number 3 slot receiver with Anderson coming in as a #4 when you spread teams out. This team really needs a #2 that can gain quick separation. I'm good with Bowe if he restructures and you can give a complimentary piece. Add some guys like you have here and Wilson and you might have something. I'd rather see you take more of a #2, to pair with Bowe (#1...ish), Wilson (#3/slot), and Anderson (#4/deep threat) than take Dorsett, but that's me being picky.

the Talking Can 12-29-2014 08:33 PM

And I'd use a 4th to get prewitt in the 2nd, if needed...he is boss

Saccopoo 12-29-2014 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 11228328)
And I'd use a 4th to get prewitt in the 2nd, if needed...he is boss

Agree. I think he's got the tools to be very good and he fits in with this defense. I think we'll be walking a tight line, but he might be there with the 18th pick in the second.

Bufkin 12-31-2014 02:08 PM

Sac's 2013 Chiefs mock draft.

1st overall pick-Geno Smith. Was eventually taken in the 2nd round, and so far has a career QB rating of 71.

2nd pick-Kevin Minter. Played 2 total defensive snaps his rookie year in Arizona. As of the end of this season, he has 25 total tackles, no sacks, no interceptions.

3rd pick-Barrett Jones. Was selected 113th overall, and has not started a game. Has seen action in 3 total games.

4th pick-John Simon. 4 career tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. Lasted less than a year with Baltimore after getting drafted.

5th pick-Oday Aboushi. Probably the best pick so far lmao. Has started 7 total games with the Jets.

6th pick-Joe Kruger. Has played for 4 teams, mostly practice squad stints.

7th pick-Nick Kasa. 1 catch for 9 yards in 2 seasons.

8th pick-Rex Burkhead 9 total carries so far in his career.

Saccopoo 12-31-2014 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11232298)
Sac's 2013 Chiefs mock draft.

1st overall pick-Geno Smith. Was eventually taken in the 2nd round, and so far has a career QB rating of 71.

2nd pick-Kevin Minter. Played 2 total defensive snaps his rookie year in Arizona. As of the end of this season, he has 25 total tackles, no sacks, no interceptions.

3rd pick-Barrett Jones. Was selected 113th overall, and has not started a game. Has seen action in 3 total games.

4th pick-John Simon. 4 career tackles, 0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles. Lasted less than a year with Baltimore after getting drafted.

5th pick-Oday Aboushi. Probably the best pick so far lmao. Has started 7 total games with the Jets.

6th pick-Joe Kruger. Has played for 4 teams, mostly practice squad stints.

7th pick-Nick Kasa. 1 catch for 9 yards in 2 seasons.

8th pick-Rex Burkhead 9 total carries so far in his career.

Well, hi there Bufkin! How you doing Buddy? You're information is a little off/outdated. You should really do a bit more research before you post. You look a little stupid.

I'd still have drafted Geno. Picked in the 2nd Round in 2013, closed out the 2014 season with the only perfect QB rating of the year.

Minter, who was selected in the 2nd Round by the Cardinals, actually has 44 tackles and a sack this year, appearing in 16 and starting five games of the 2014 season. He was actually pencilled in as the starter prior to the 2014 season, but suffered a pectoral injury in the first game of the preseason (though he did appear in all 16 regular season games).

Barrett Jones, who was selected by the Rams in the 4th round, has had bad luck with injuries. In 2013, he had listfranc surgery and sat out the season. (Which everyone knew about prior to the draft.) In 2014, he suffered a back injury and decided to have surgery to repair it and was out for the year.

John Simon, who was selected by the Ravens in the 4th Round, is on the Texans and has appeared in 11 games this year with 12 tackles and 1.5 sacks.

Oday Aboushi, who was selected by the Jets in the 5th Round, is now the starter at left guard (started the last 10 games of 2014).

Joe Kruger, who was selelcted in the 7th Round, is on the practice squad for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Nick Kasa, selected in the 6th Round by the Raiders, has appeared in 16 games in 2014, starting one.

Rex Burkhead, selected in the 6th Round by the Bengals, suffered a hamstring injury in early 2013. He has appeared in 9 games in 2014.

So, in summary, this draft yielded the following:

Eight players, six of which finished the season on their teams active, 53 man rosters. (Would have been seven if not for the injury to Jones.) One on a practice squad.

Compare that to the Chiefs actual draft:

Eric Fisher - starter
Travis Kelce - starter
Knile Davis - significant contributor
Nico Johnson - released by team, on Bengals active roster
Sanders Commings - IR
Eric Kush - 3 games in two years, no games in 2014
Braden Wilson - Out of football
Mike Catapano - 4 tackles in 15 games in 2013, IR 2014

Eh...

Bufkin 12-31-2014 03:30 PM

Your draft would have drafted a backup QB with the first overall pick, a backup middle linebacker with the 2nd pick, an injured backup interior lineman with the 3rd pick, a backup pass rusher averaging less than a sack a season with the 4th pick, a starting guard (albeit mediocre) with the 5th pick, a practice squad linebacker with the 6th pick, a backup tight end with 1 career catch with the 7th pick, and a running back with single-digit carries with the final pick.

This would have gone down as one of the worst drafts in individual franchise history. 2 fringe starters (if you consider Geno anything remotely close to a starter), a handful of backups (many due to consistent injuries), and a few players who have no right being on an active 53 man roster.

Saccopoo 12-31-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11232490)
Your draft would have drafted a backup QB with the first overall pick, a backup middle linebacker with the 2nd pick, an injured backup interior lineman with the 3rd pick, a backup pass rusher averaging less than a sack a season with the 4th pick, a starting guard (albeit mediocre) with the 5th pick, a practice squad linebacker with the 6th pick, a backup tight end with 1 career catch with the 7th pick, and a running back with single-digit carries with the final pick.

This would have gone down as one of the worst drafts in individual franchise history. 2 fringe starters (if you consider Geno anything remotely close to a starter), a handful of backups (many due to consistent injuries), and a few players who have no right being on an active 53 man roster.

And yet they are...

Weird.

But keep posting this good stuff. Makes you look super smart.

BTW, since you are inclined to criticism here on Draft Planet, where's your 2013 mock? Who did you have us taking?

Bufkin 12-31-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11232494)
And yet they are...

Weird.

But keep posting this good stuff. Makes you look super smart.

Well, Simon was cut less than a year after being drafted by Baltimore. Joe Kruger has been on 4 practice squads in 2 seasons. Nick Kasa has one ****ing catch in his career so far. Burkhead has yet to receive 10 carries in his career. Jones hasn't started a ****ing game. Whether that's because he sucks or because he can't stay healthy, it's still a shitty draft selection because him being hurt wasn't a surprise.

Your best selection in that entire draft was the Jets left guard in the 4th round. I literally could have taken names out of a hat and done better than what you shit out. This is consistent with your mock drafts. They're absolutely atrocious and have no merit taking up bandwidth.

Saccopoo 12-31-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bufkin (Post 11232506)
Well, Simon was cut less than a year after being drafted by Baltimore. Joe Kruger has been on 4 practice squads in 2 seasons. Nick Kasa has one ****ing catch in his career so far. Burkhead has yet to receive 10 carries in his career. Jones hasn't started a ****ing game. Whether that's because he sucks or because he can't stay healthy, it's still a shitty draft selection because him being hurt wasn't a surprise.

Your best selection in that entire draft was the Jets left guard in the 4th round. I literally could have taken names out of a hat and done better than what you shit out. This is consistent with your mock drafts. They're absolutely atrocious and have no merit taking up bandwidth.

Again, where's your 2013 mock then?

You seem especially focused on 2013 and seem to think that yours was balls out. Let's see it.

And I eagerly await your 2014 mock. A guy that can pick dudes out of a hat and have them be better than 7 of 8 guys in a single draft still on NFL teams 53 man rosters sounds quite impressive. I'm giddy with anticipation in viewing your mock - both the 2013 and your upcoming 2014!

Bufkin 12-31-2014 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11232547)
Again, where's your 2013 mock then?

You seem especially focused on 2013 and seem to think that yours was balls out. Let's see it.

And I eagerly await your 2014 mock. A guy that can pick dudes out of a hat and have them be better than 7 of 8 guys in a single draft still on NFL teams 53 man rosters sounds quite impressive. I'm giddy with anticipation in viewing your mock - both the 2013 and your upcoming 2014!

My 2013 mock:

1st round-Sheldon Richardson
2nd round-Kiko Alonso
3rd round-Larry Wardford
3rd round-Knile Davis (comp pick)
4th round-Ryan Nassib
5th round-Luke Wilson
6th round-Mike Katapano
7th round-Paul Worrilow


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