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swayy07 01-21-2010 12:29 PM

who takes berry before us and who do they have at Saftey?
 
just wondering what teams you guys think will draft berry before we get a chance to and what saftey he would be replacing because ive seen a couple different mocks with different teams taking him detroit and tampa bay mostly.

booyaf2 01-21-2010 12:30 PM

:shake:

Mr. Laz 01-21-2010 12:34 PM

I think both cleveland, Tampa Bay and Detroit are in the safety market.

now whether they will actually select one that high is questionable.


that is VERY,VERY high to take a safety.

Fritz88 01-21-2010 12:37 PM

I am thinking the Colts. They really need a new WR to help Peyton win his 5th MVP next season.

Brock 01-21-2010 12:37 PM

Based on history, I'd say it's pretty unlikely Berry will be picked before 5.

RUSH 01-21-2010 12:50 PM

Rams have Atowge so I doubt they take him

Lions have Delmas so I doubt they take him

Bucs are the ones who could use Berry. But I think they will have McCoy and Suh higher on their board. So if they go #1, and #2 then I think Berry will be their pick

Skins have big QB and OT needs so I doubt they take Berry. Especially with Landry, Hall and Rogers all on big deals.

So if the Rams take Clausen then Berry should be on the board when we pick at #5.

Mr. Laz 01-21-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RUSH (Post 6466254)
Lions have Delmas so I doubt they take him

Delmas is a Strong Safety ... imo Berry should definitely be a Free Safety in the NFL.

Titty Meat 01-21-2010 01:19 PM

Bucs seem like they could draft Mccoy before they draft a guy like Berry.

alanm 01-21-2010 01:23 PM

Why does everyone assume the Chiefs are going to draft Berry? Since when do they listen to the wishes of fans on a message board? :spock:
Hell the possibility exists that they trade down for more picks.

Titty Meat 01-21-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm (Post 6466319)
Why does everyone assume the Chiefs are going to draft Berry? Since when do they listen to the wishes of fans on a message board? :spock:
Hell the possibility exists that they trade down for more picks.

With so many good safeties and no picks after the 5th round this isn't a horrible idea.

swayy07 01-21-2010 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by alanm (Post 6466319)
Why does everyone assume the Chiefs are going to draft Berry? Since when do they listen to the wishes of fans on a message board? :spock:
Hell the possibility exists that they trade down for more picks.

assume? hes a high impact player and he would make flowers and carr better just by stepping on the field.

Sure-Oz 01-21-2010 01:33 PM

If Berry is the type of impact player as Ed Reed you'd want him with the 5th pick

CoMoChief 01-21-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 6466352)
If Berry is the type of impact player as Ed Reed you'd want him with the 5th pick

well to be fair, Berry wasn't all that great his Sr season.

bevischief 01-21-2010 01:47 PM

The needy qb teams will be the wildcard and how desperate they are to trade up and we have to many holes to fill not to listen.
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Titty Meat 01-21-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 6466352)
If Berry is the type of impact player as Ed Reed you'd want him with the 5th pick

I think Earl Thomas could certainly be the Ed Reed type. They are both about the same size too.

Chiefnj2 01-21-2010 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6466359)
well to be fair, Berry wasn't all that great his Sr season.

His strength is ballhawking, but Kiffen played him in the box. He did fine, but he wasn't in a position to put up the highlight INTs or similar stats that people were accustomed to seeing after his Jr. year.

Halfcan 01-21-2010 02:38 PM

I bet we go O line-just a feeling.

DaneMcCloud 01-21-2010 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 6466555)
I bet we go O line-just a feeling.

I cannot imagine Charlie Weis, after watching tape, suggesting to Haley and Pioli that they need to spend a top five pick on another left tackle.

Especially after newly minted Buffalo head coach Chan Gailey got such a strong performance from Albert his rookie year.

MOhillbilly 01-21-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6466562)
I cannot imagine Charlie Weis, after watching tape, suggesting to Haley and Pioli that they need to spend a top five pick on another left tackle.

Especially after newly minted Buffalo head coach Chan Gailey got such a strong performance from Albert his rookie year.

any safety other than S.Taylor taken at 5 or higher?

bowener 01-21-2010 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 6466213)
I think both cleveland, Tampa Bay and Detroit are in the safety market.

now whether they will actually select one that high is questionable.


that is VERY,VERY high to take a safety.

I looked through Holmgren's drafts from when he was in Seattle, and he only drafted one safety in the top 2 rounds ever, and that was Ken Hamlin in the 2nd round of the 2003 draft. On the other hand, he took 8 defensive lineman in the first 2 rounds through 11 drafts (so roughly 8 out of 22~ players). My numbers may be a little off, just glancing over shit.

Of course Cleveland drafts after us, so this isn't a huge worry I guess.

Honestly, I know very little about Tampa with Morris as the coach. I could see how they may want a safety if they run the cover 2 still, but I thought Will Allen and Pisticelli (sp?) were doing pretty good this year... I am probably wrong though. It also seems logical that a team which has Chris Hovan and Ryan Sims as the starting DT's is probably in need of some young viable talent. Not to take away from Hovan, but he is getting old and not what he once was, and Sims is never going to be much more than a backup. I really don't know what they are going to do, but IMO they need some DT's, so obviously Suh or McCoy, whichever is there.

Detroit spent a ton of money 2 years ago on their WROTF, and last year they spent a ton of money on their QBOTF, now they need to spend a ton of money on a LT to protect him (having already drafted their RTOTF). They have Delmas as well, so I would hope for the sake of the Lions fans that remain, they draft a LT (even if there aren't any great ones).

STL won't take a safety, but what they do take could change some stuff around for everybody else obviously.

If they take a QB, that leaves Suh for Tampa, though Detroit will have to think long and hard about taking Suh or not.

If STL takes Suh for some reason, then Detroit will go with a LT, leaving Tampa to choose McCoy (hopefully) or possibly Berry I guess (somebody with more knowledge here can explain better, please?).

Washington will probably go QB with the rat there now (but what if he likes Campbell?).

So I guess that leaves the Chiefs staff with the option to pick Berry. The question remains unanswered, of course, if they will **** it up or not.

MOhillbilly 01-21-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 6466622)
Washington will probably go QB with the rat there now (but what if he likes Campbell?).


i still think campbell has lots of upside and has just gotten absolutely shit on by the redskins coaching carrousel.

bowener 01-21-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 6466633)
i still think campbell has lots of upside and has just gotten absolutely shit on by the redskins coaching carrousel.

Well, that is kind of what I have thought. On top of that Campbell has a strong arm and can use his legs to make plays if it is absolutely necessary. He definitely has enough speed to make plays on those god damn bootlegs!

Mr. Flopnuts 01-21-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6466359)
well to be fair, Berry wasn't all that great his Sr season.

LMAO Is this good enough for the CoMo thread? Berry was a junior this year.

Brock 01-21-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 6466706)
LMAO Is this good enough for the CoMo thread? Berry was a junior this year.

ROFL

RustShack 01-21-2010 04:13 PM

I can see the Bucs, Browns, or Skins taking Berry.

MOhillbilly 01-21-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6466800)
I can see the Bucs, Browns, or Skins taking Berry.

no way the skins take a safety at 5 or d for that matter when there o-line has been a merry go round for years.

RustShack 01-21-2010 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MOhillbilly (Post 6466818)
no way the skins take a safety at 5 or d for that matter when there o-line has been a merry go round for years.

They also have a HC who can do a good job with QB's and Oline, and also Okung isn't his style of LT.

MOhillbilly 01-21-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6466823)
They also have a HC who can do a good job with QB's and Oline, and also Okung isn't his style of LT.

there gonna go O, portis is a stud but isnt gettin any younger, the WR are middle of the road at best, the line is in shambles, i still think campbell has upside but at this point its unknown how much is left in his tank.

And they have insane money tied up on the defense.

RustShack 01-21-2010 04:30 PM

The one and only player Shannahan would take in this draft that high is Clausen. And if he likes Campbell half as much as he says hes not doing that. If Jason has any kind of talent he will excel under Mike. What sad is you can pick out Chiefs fans out of anyone when it comes to talking about the draft.. because Chiefs fans are the only idiots who think you HAVE to use a top five pick to build a good Oline.

MOhillbilly 01-21-2010 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6466849)
The one and only player Shannahan would take in this draft that high is Clausen. And if he likes Campbell half as much as he says hes not doing that. If Jason has any kind of talent he will excel under Mike. What sad is you can pick out Chiefs fans out of anyone when it comes to talking about the draft.. because Chiefs fans are the only idiots who think you HAVE to use a top five pick to build a good Oline.

they took the arguably the best FS of the decade at 5 and that from what i heard wasnt an easy sell with the boss. could be wrong but this was the feeling i got....

bevischief 01-21-2010 04:50 PM

We will draft a player no one has rated a 5th pick, just a feeling...
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Mr. Laz 01-21-2010 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6466849)
The one and only player Shannahan would take in this draft that high is Clausen. And if he likes Campbell half as much as he says hes not doing that. If Jason has any kind of talent he will excel under Mike. What sad is you can pick out Chiefs fans out of anyone when it comes to talking about the draft.. because Chiefs fans are the only idiots who think you HAVE to use a top five pick to build a good Oline.

we got it alright ... for the 1 billionth time, you don't want to take an Oline in the 1st round.

jezbus tits :shake:

BigMeatballDave 01-21-2010 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 6466359)
well to be fair, Berry wasn't all that great his Sr season.

OMG you are such an idiot! Keep 'em coming... LMAO


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