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MagicHef 08-09-2012 02:03 PM

Which Positions are Most Important?
 
By "are Most Important," I mean, "lead to the most wins." To assess this, I figured out the strength of the correlation between any given team's "skill" (total PFF rating) at a position, and the regular season wins that team had. PFF ratings cover the last 4 years, so this is (4x32) 128 points of data.

Some results were surprising, some really weren't.

The correlation between QB rating and wins is amazing. In the past 4 years, there have been 19 QBs rated 22 or higher. None of them have had a losing season. There have been 6 QBs rated 31 or higher. None of them have won fewer than 12 games. There have been 13 QBs rated lower than -26.5. None of them had a winning season.

There was one other position that surprised me with how well it correlated with winning. The correlation was about 75% as strong as it was for QBs. Any guesses?

There was one specific subset of a position that actually had a negative correlation with wins. I don't think that increased skill at any position could actually cause a team to get worse, but of the top 5 guys at this position last year, only 1 was on a winning team. Also, arguably the best team last year had the worst play in the league at this particular position.

One explanation would be that it is a very highly regarded position and tends to be picked very early, so some of the best guys end up on the worst teams. However, there is more than one position that gets picked early to bad teams, and this correlation doesn't exist for any other position. I don't think that the effect of good play at this position is enough to overcome bad play elsewhere, unlike a position like QB. The question I am left asking is: if good (even excellent) play at this position isn't enough to cause your team as a whole to get better, why is this position picked so early?

Anyway, rank the importance of all the positions listed, and I'll post my findings later.

Here are the positions I analyzed, in alphabetical order:

C
CB
DL (4-3 DTs, 3-4 NTs, 3-4 DEs)
FB
G
HB
LB (4-3 ILBs and OLBs, 3-4 ILBs)
PR (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
QB
S
T
TE
WR

ToxSocks 08-09-2012 02:05 PM

Missionary

ToxSocks 08-09-2012 02:05 PM

Doggy Style

durtyrute 08-09-2012 02:05 PM

I thought you meant sex positions. Too much time in the boob/ass/leg/porn/twitter/latina/BBW thread

ToxSocks 08-09-2012 02:06 PM

Cowgirl.....


you know, the Golden Trifecta

Sofa King 08-09-2012 02:08 PM

Figure 4 Leg Lock

RealSNR 08-09-2012 02:13 PM

Because WRs are dependent on the team around them more than any other position. Shitty teams have good to great WRs all the time because having fantastic WRs will keep your shitty offense afloat. Just look at the Chiefs.

MagicHef 08-09-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8803256)
Because WRs are dependent on the team around them more than any other position. Shitty teams have good to great WRs all the time because having fantastic WRs will keep your shitty offense afloat. Just look at the Chiefs.

Which question are you answering? Are you saying that WR is the position with the negative correlation?

RealSNR 08-09-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 8803267)
Which question are you answering? Are you saying that WR is the position with the negative correlation?

Quote:

Also, arguably the best team last year had the worst play in the league at this particular position.
It's got to be the 49ers and the WR position. So yes, WR is the position with the negative correlation

mcaj22 08-09-2012 02:29 PM

I'd say LT is important if you have a crappy QB. Good LT masks how awful a non elite QB really is and an elite QB can get away with having an average LT. So pending your QB...

I'd also say having a good MLBer is up there. Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, Lawrence Timmons, Jerrod Mayo etc, guys who can be the QB of the defense. I'd argue that Derrick Johnson is the reason we even won 7 games last year.

MagicHef 08-09-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8803275)
It's got to be the 49ers and the WR position. So yes, WR is the position with the negative correlation

WR actually had an extremely high correlation with wins. Second only to QBs. I was stunned.

There have been 28 teams with total WR ratings over 11.1 in the last 4 years, only one of them had a losing season. There have been 25 teams with total WR ratings of less than -16.7, none of them had winning seasons.

MagicHef 08-09-2012 02:36 PM

Also, the top 5 WRs (by PFF ratings) last year: Johnson (10 wins), Fitzgerald (8 wins), Welker (13 wins), Nelson (15 wins), and Colston (13 wins).

Sofa King 08-09-2012 02:41 PM

Running backs aren't as important. AP, Steven Jackson, MJD... and a shitload more play for terrible teams.

MagicHef 08-09-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulk Hogan (Post 8803348)
Running backs aren't as important. AP, Steven Jackson, MJD... and a shitload more play for terrible teams.

Yep. Out of the 13 positions, HBs were 7th, and FBs were tied for last. Neither was the overrated (imo) position I referred to in the OP, though.

saphojunkie 08-09-2012 02:58 PM

Here's my guess at the order:

QB
WR
DL (4-3 DTs, 3-4 NTs, 3-4 DEs)
CB
T
LB (4-3 ILBs and OLBs, 3-4 ILBs)
S/HB (YOU SAID TIED FOR 7TH)
C
G
PR (4-3 DEs, 3-4 OLBs)
TE
FB


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