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Old 03-09-2014, 09:05 AM   #130
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Problem with the guys you listed. All are inconsistent and display poor hands a lot of the time.
I'll have to take your word on it. I havent researched enough to say conclusively.

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There have been tons of Height-Weight-Speed guys who failed in the league because they couldn't do one thing, catch the ball consistently.
in general there have been alot of guys who failed in the league.

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That's why Ted Ginn isn't a great WR.

Donnie Avery is no better than a #3 WR.

DHB is no better than a #3-4 and is at best a decoy at this point of his career.

Stephen Hill has sucked.
Dont think Ted Gin would have had a great speed score. Although he ran a forty at 4.38, he did it at only 178lbs. His 2013 drop % was 4.4

Avery has had a long career.

DHB was almost a 1k yr receiver in 2011. Although drops may be an issue for him, his real issue has been injuries. His 2013 drop % is 9.4

yes, stephen hill sucks.

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Hemingway is a perfect example of why a "size/speed" metric isn't perfect. Yeah, the guy has very good size at 6'1", 230 lbs. and ran a 4.53 at the combine. He also has nice hands and runs good routes. However, you watch him on the field and he's got absolutely zero initial burst. Slow as shit.

It's why he's a great gunner on special teams as he can build up his speed and start moving over a longer field.
I agree with you, but I think that is something he can work on. His 10yrd split of 1.54 isnt bad (i.e. quick enough). He had a great 3-cone.

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Avery and Jenkins are kind of like that too.
I would agree about Jenkins, not Avery.

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McCluster, while he ran a slower 40 time than Hemmingway, has much better initial quickness.
agree.

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What you really want is a guy that has both. Beckham, Cooks, Watkins, Moncrief have that. (Personally, I think someone is going to get a real gem in Moncrief in this draft. Second round most likely, but I wouldn't be upset if he was the Chiefs first round pick.)
Guys who have a high speed score tend to have a low 10yrd split as well, which is a good indicator of quickness. Below are more stats of the top 20 receivers (by receiving yrds) in 2013. The average speed score (without Decker and D. Thomas whose info was not available) is 105.9, and the median is 106.1Drop info was found from sportincharts. Midgets are in yellow, and those players without info are greyed out.


I just dont think its a coincidence that most of the top receivers in the NFL have great speed scores and are tall. That combo probably has a greater likelyhood of turning into a great NFL wr than someone who doesnt have that combo. I'm guessing its because the bigger WR can create vertical seperation. Since the speed score is a combo of weight and speed, those with great speed scores probably have the ability to get off the line of scrimmage (avoid jams) and the speed to seperate. Being "bigger" (weight and height) also helps in the physicality of the game (i.e. the smaller guys probably get beat up more , which leads to injuries, and thus lower stats).

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