So, I talked to Gunther Cunningham... - Page 5

bobbything · 08-11-2006, 07:50 PM

I was fortunate enough to spend about 25 minutes with Gunther Cunningham on Tuesday evening. I was up in River Falls with 610 (not working for them so I can release this information) when Gunther was on his way back to the dorms from meetings. There were about 8 of us out in front where the Chris and Cowboy show was going on and Gunther stopped and talked to us for nearly a half an hour.

Some points of interest...

- Reed and Edwards are "very very good." They will start unless something drastic happens.

- Pollard and Page are "the real thing." Gunther had Pollard as a 1st rounder. When management tried to argue with him, he said, "'Hey, what were you doing 30 years ago?' "Well, I was in grade school then." Gunther said, "Well, I was coaching football in the NFL!"

- I asked what the deal is with Simms. Gunther replied, "He's fat and lazy." Said, "I tried to do the same thing with Simms that I did with Kawika. But it's not working."

- Asked about Eric Hicks. Said that his "legs aren't there at all." Said he's not sure if it has something to do with Tamba Hali or not.

- Said that Surtain told him in meetings that night that the San Diego game last year at Arrowhead was the loudest game he's ever played in; and that (Surtain) "wants that all the time."

- As he walked off he told us "everyone wants us to score 40 point per game. But nobody understands that this defense will be much better. And that we won't need to score 40 points. We'll be able to, but won't need to."

tk13 · 08-13-2006, 01:09 AM

Not that Sims is some superstar waiting in the wings or anything, although he did look decent before getting hurt last preseason... but you can't always deal with every player the same way. Just because it worked with Kawika Mitchell doesn't mean it'll work with Ryan Sims. You gotta know who to yell at and who to prop up. That's probably especially important with pro athletes. You risk having guys tune out on you otherwise.

booger · 08-13-2006, 01:12 AM

True. But IMO, Krumrie, Gun, and Herm and their motivations to Sims is probably the last effort to get it out of him, in KC anyway.

tk13 · 08-13-2006, 01:14 AM

Yeah, I don't know, I don't think some people would've put up with Sims this long. That said, if this defense struggles again, I'm afraid they're gonna start tuning out Gun like Sims has. Everybody loves these angry yelling coaches but when it backfires it goes south fast.

ChiefFan31 · 08-13-2006, 01:18 AM

I hear ya tk.

The same approach wont work with everyone, but shit. I would imagine they have tried all sorts of different approaches with him.

Maybe Carl should prod him to come out of the closet or something, maybe thats it. Who knows what that guys deal is.

I mention Carl, because no GM wants the highest draft pick since Derrick Thomas to be flat out cut. (I could be wrong about the pick, but im pretty sure)

booger · 08-13-2006, 01:21 AM

I agree, definatly.

Good thing that Gun seems pretty calm when he is at practice and approaching the team.

I think now it makes sense that Herm seemed to be fairly calm with sims. Telling him he just wanted to help him be more consistant.

I think Herm realizes he won't start and just wants 25 or so good snaps a game from him.

Deberg_1990 · 08-13-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Not that Sims is some superstar waiting in the wings or anything, although he did look decent before getting hurt last preseason... but you can't always deal with every player the same way. Just because it worked with Kawika Mitchell doesn't mean it'll work with Ryan Sims. You gotta know who to yell at and who to prop up. That's probably especially important with pro athletes. You risk having guys tune out on you otherwise.

It would appear that Whitlock has been right all along about Sims. I think Sims is just a guy who doesnt love the game enough and got fat and happy once he signed his fat contract. He has zero motivation to improve. I say we cut our losses with him and move on.

Mojo Rising · 08-13-2006, 05:28 AM

Sims needs to go. His arrival should be blamed on DV, not CP. Bunting was in the DV network and he is the one who sold DV on Sims. If Sims is drafted in the top 10 then Bunting can go and tell all of the high school prospects that he has the NFL's ear and had 2 players drafted in the top 10. That was his motivation.

Sims probably will stick around the NFL for years to come like Ted Washington, Gilbert Brown, and the original Big Daddy Wilkerson. He can bulk up to 350+ and clog the middle for another 5 years.

**Skip Towne** · 08-13-2006, 06:32 AM

We weren't the only ones who wanted Sims. We had to win a footrace with Minnesota to get him. I wish we had lost that race.

Mojo Rising · 08-13-2006, 06:41 AM

There were 4 premiere DT's. Haynesworth, Sims, Henderson and Bryant.

Henderson was the only one who panned out. The knock on him was that he was too tall and had injury issues.

Logical · 08-13-2006, 08:07 AM

I really find this thread quite interesting. I must say I am suprised Gun would be so direct about Sims. But I guess that is what would make such an experience so cool. Props for the info.

**Iowanian** · 08-13-2006, 08:16 AM

If anyone talks to Gun again, I'd like them to remind him of his opening press conference, when he was re-hired when he said..."We're going to stop that damn bootleg".

As for Sims, At the time, I too thought he was the right choice. The Chiefs needed Dline help, Henderson had back questions, Hanesworth had a $.10 head. The question many had at the time, was, "Is Sims a product of Julius Peppers" and apparently the correct answer is...yes.

Chieftain58 · 08-13-2006, 10:06 AM

So, basically he said Hicks sucks... Which we all know. Sims is a major disappointment to all of us... man I thought he would be good.

Good stuff dude...

08-11-2006, 07:50 PM
bobbything Distributor of Pain Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $8924900	So, I talked to Gunther Cunningham... I was fortunate enough to spend about 25 minutes with Gunther Cunningham on Tuesday evening. I was up in River Falls with 610 (not working for them so I can release this information) when Gunther was on his way back to the dorms from meetings. There were about 8 of us out in front where the Chris and Cowboy show was going on and Gunther stopped and talked to us for nearly a half an hour. Some points of interest... - Reed and Edwards are "very very good." They will start unless something drastic happens. - Pollard and Page are "the real thing." Gunther had Pollard as a 1st rounder. When management tried to argue with him, he said, "'Hey, what were you doing 30 years ago?' "Well, I was in grade school then." Gunther said, "Well, I was coaching football in the NFL!" - I asked what the deal is with Simms. Gunther replied, "He's fat and lazy." Said, "I tried to do the same thing with Simms that I did with Kawika. But it's not working." - Asked about Eric Hicks. Said that his "legs aren't there at all." Said he's not sure if it has something to do with Tamba Hali or not. - Said that Surtain told him in meetings that night that the San Diego game last year at Arrowhead was the loudest game he's ever played in; and that (Surtain) "wants that all the time." - As he walked off he told us "everyone wants us to score 40 point per game. But nobody understands that this defense will be much better. And that we won't need to score 40 points. We'll be able to, but won't need to."
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08-13-2006, 01:09 AM	#61
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1762500	Not that Sims is some superstar waiting in the wings or anything, although he did look decent before getting hurt last preseason... but you can't always deal with every player the same way. Just because it worked with Kawika Mitchell doesn't mean it'll work with Ryan Sims. You gotta know who to yell at and who to prop up. That's probably especially important with pro athletes. You risk having guys tune out on you otherwise.
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08-13-2006, 01:12 AM	#62
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1268550	True. But IMO, Krumrie, Gun, and Herm and their motivations to Sims is probably the last effort to get it out of him, in KC anyway. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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08-13-2006, 01:14 AM	#63
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1762500	Yeah, I don't know, I don't think some people would've put up with Sims this long. That said, if this defense struggles again, I'm afraid they're gonna start tuning out Gun like Sims has. Everybody loves these angry yelling coaches but when it backfires it goes south fast.
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08-13-2006, 01:18 AM	#64
ChiefFan31 Keeping a close eye Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $10004900	I hear ya tk. The same approach wont work with everyone, but shit. I would imagine they have tried all sorts of different approaches with him. Maybe Carl should prod him to come out of the closet or something, maybe thats it. Who knows what that guys deal is. I mention Carl, because no GM wants the highest draft pick since Derrick Thomas to be flat out cut. (I could be wrong about the pick, but im pretty sure)
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08-13-2006, 01:21 AM	#65
booger Don't Tug on Superman's Cape Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: clear out in the sticks Casino cash: $1268550	I agree, definatly. Good thing that Gun seems pretty calm when he is at practice and approaching the team. I think now it makes sense that Herm seemed to be fairly calm with sims. Telling him he just wanted to help him be more consistant. I think Herm realizes he won't start and just wants 25 or so good snaps a game from him. __________________ 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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08-13-2006, 05:28 AM	#67
Mojo Rising Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: OC Casino cash: $10009560	Sims needs to go. His arrival should be blamed on DV, not CP. Bunting was in the DV network and he is the one who sold DV on Sims. If Sims is drafted in the top 10 then Bunting can go and tell all of the high school prospects that he has the NFL's ear and had 2 players drafted in the top 10. That was his motivation. Sims probably will stick around the NFL for years to come like Ted Washington, Gilbert Brown, and the original Big Daddy Wilkerson. He can bulk up to 350+ and clog the middle for another 5 years.
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08-13-2006, 06:32 AM	#68
Skip Towne Supporter Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: T-Town Casino cash: $10004900	We weren't the only ones who wanted Sims. We had to win a footrace with Minnesota to get him. I wish we had lost that race.
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08-13-2006, 06:41 AM	#69
Mojo Rising Veteran Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: OC Casino cash: $10009560	There were 4 premiere DT's. Haynesworth, Sims, Henderson and Bryant. Henderson was the only one who panned out. The knock on him was that he was too tall and had injury issues.
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08-13-2006, 08:07 AM	#70
Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I really find this thread quite interesting. I must say I am suprised Gun would be so direct about Sims. But I guess that is what would make such an experience so cool. Props for the info.
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08-13-2006, 08:16 AM	#71
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $4648454	If anyone talks to Gun again, I'd like them to remind him of his opening press conference, when he was re-hired when he said..."We're going to stop that damn bootleg". As for Sims, At the time, I too thought he was the right choice. The Chiefs needed Dline help, Henderson had back questions, Hanesworth had a $.10 head. The question many had at the time, was, "Is Sims a product of Julius Peppers" and apparently the correct answer is...yes.
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08-13-2006, 10:06 AM	#72
Chieftain58 Fan club member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Land of OZ Casino cash: $10005117	So, basically he said Hicks sucks... Which we all know. Sims is a major disappointment to all of us... man I thought he would be good. Good stuff dude... __________________
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