Is Herm really a lot more conservative than DV was? - Page 2

PastorMikH · 09-14-2006, 02:57 PM

I have been hearing a lot in the media and by us fans (I have said so too) speculation that Herm wants to do away with the passing O and go to a conservative running O like we had when Marty was here.

After reading Whitlock's article today, I got to wondering what the difference really is. So I took a look at KC's O and the Jets O over the last 3 years (since that is as far back as NFL.com goes) and compared stats.

Here's what I found...

Over the 3 year span, the Chiefs passed 53% of the time and ran 47% of the time. The Jets (Under Herm) passed 54% of the time and ran 46% of the time. Herm actually ran 1% more pass plays than KC's pass-happy OC.

KC did average about 5.5 plays per game more than the Jets. KC has a good edge in total yards averaging 1480 more yards a season than the Jets did (about 92 yards a game). In breaking down the total yards into Passing/Rushing percentages, KC averaged 65%/35% while the Jets averaged 63%/37% respectively. There was a .5 YPC average difference in rushing yards and a 1 YPC diference in passing yards.

In scoring difference in the games won over the 3 years, the Jets averaged 9.4 points ahead of their opponents. The Chiefs averaged 14.6 points ahead of their opponents (but man the Chiefs really ran some scores up in those 3 years - they beat Atlanta in '04 by 46 points and Trent threw all but one pass). The Jets did have games in that span where they won by large numbers as well which shows that with the Jets, Herm didn't always get a small lead and sit on it.

In looking at Sunday's game, our Pass Plays percentage was at 58% - higher than with DV any of the 3 year averages. We ran 5 less plays than we averaged per game over the last 5 years. So, there wasn't all that much difference in the play-calling Sunday and what we are used to, but there was in execution and mistakes. Hopefully those will get ironed out soon.

All in all, after the research I did today, I think perhaps my concerns about Herm taking us back to "Martyball" may be a bit unfounded. If the O in KC continues in a similar manner as the O at the Jets did, there shouldn't be much of a difference in the emphasis of pass/run and so on.

So, once Green is back and IF we get the O-Line problems worked out, I'm thinking that our O may not be much different than what we've been used too. Add in the improvements Herm's made already with the D and I'm thinking if the O-Line gets straighened out and Green gets back, we possibly could be happier with what we have this year as opposed to the years under DV.

UteChief · 10-01-2006, 08:17 PM

I woud like to see a couple more games and a healthy Trent Green and see how it compares. After the first game I thought he was way to conservative but maybe it was because of the line play. Today I thought it was great and could watch them play like this all year long.

siberian khatru · 10-01-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbiggz

I think the actions he takes in critical situations dictates if he is conservative or not.

Most people would agree that although the game plan for the Denver game was excellent, he should have been more agressive in the final possetion in order for us to win to win the game. He was definetly playing not to lose

Bingo.

unlurking · 10-01-2006, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Interesting stats but I'm not sure they necessarily tell the entire story.

The run/pass ratio may be one indicator, but when he runs and/or passes would tell us more. he might be content passing the ball when driving, but clam up and lean heavily on the run when the team gets in the redzone/FG range... which would indicate significant conservatism.

Personally, I'll wait and see. Just because he did it one way in the past, that doesn't necessarily mean he'll do it that way now. We have no way of knowing how much of his past play calling was predicated on the personnel he had to work with.

After an interception up 27 - 0 and the coach throws to the end zone, anyone who calls Herm conservative is an absolut ****ing moron. No wait and see here, this is NOT 3 yards and a cloud of dust,

Hammock Parties · 10-01-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Did we not throw down the field today?...

No, because Huardible can't do it. He sucks.

milkman · 10-01-2006, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

No, because Huardible can't do it. He sucks.

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but how many balls did he throw beyond 15-18 yards or so?

2?

Hammock Parties · 10-01-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but how many balls did he throw beyond 15-18 yards or so?

2?

This week's column is titled "Air Huard" and THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!

milkman · 10-01-2006, 08:37 PM

I am aware of the fact that the Kennison TD was a nice long ball, but Huard can not hit those passes with any consistency.

As I said elsewhere, his performance was very Gannonesque today, and that is good enoygh.

milkman · 10-01-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

This week's column is titled "Air Huard" and THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!

I can laugh at another poorly written article.

**Skip Towne** · 10-01-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but how many balls did he throw beyond 15-18 yards or so?

2?

It looks like that was plenty enough.

09-14-2006, 02:57 PM
PastorMikH Will KC ever be better? Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Land of Red Dirt & Necks Casino cash: $9925087	Is Herm really a lot more conservative than DV was? I have been hearing a lot in the media and by us fans (I have said so too) speculation that Herm wants to do away with the passing O and go to a conservative running O like we had when Marty was here. After reading Whitlock's article today, I got to wondering what the difference really is. So I took a look at KC's O and the Jets O over the last 3 years (since that is as far back as NFL.com goes) and compared stats. Here's what I found... Over the 3 year span, the Chiefs passed 53% of the time and ran 47% of the time. The Jets (Under Herm) passed 54% of the time and ran 46% of the time. Herm actually ran 1% more pass plays than KC's pass-happy OC. KC did average about 5.5 plays per game more than the Jets. KC has a good edge in total yards averaging 1480 more yards a season than the Jets did (about 92 yards a game). In breaking down the total yards into Passing/Rushing percentages, KC averaged 65%/35% while the Jets averaged 63%/37% respectively. There was a .5 YPC average difference in rushing yards and a 1 YPC diference in passing yards. In scoring difference in the games won over the 3 years, the Jets averaged 9.4 points ahead of their opponents. The Chiefs averaged 14.6 points ahead of their opponents (but man the Chiefs really ran some scores up in those 3 years - they beat Atlanta in '04 by 46 points and Trent threw all but one pass). The Jets did have games in that span where they won by large numbers as well which shows that with the Jets, Herm didn't always get a small lead and sit on it. In looking at Sunday's game, our Pass Plays percentage was at 58% - higher than with DV any of the 3 year averages. We ran 5 less plays than we averaged per game over the last 5 years. So, there wasn't all that much difference in the play-calling Sunday and what we are used to, but there was in execution and mistakes. Hopefully those will get ironed out soon. All in all, after the research I did today, I think perhaps my concerns about Herm taking us back to "Martyball" may be a bit unfounded. If the O in KC continues in a similar manner as the O at the Jets did, there shouldn't be much of a difference in the emphasis of pass/run and so on. So, once Green is back and IF we get the O-Line problems worked out, I'm thinking that our O may not be much different than what we've been used too. Add in the improvements Herm's made already with the D and I'm thinking if the O-Line gets straighened out and Green gets back, we possibly could be happier with what we have this year as opposed to the years under DV.
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10-01-2006, 08:17 PM	#16
UteChief Veteran Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SLC, UT Casino cash: $8985460	I woud like to see a couple more games and a healthy Trent Green and see how it compares. After the first game I thought he was way to conservative but maybe it was because of the line play. Today I thought it was great and could watch them play like this all year long.
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10-01-2006, 08:37 PM	#22
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	I am aware of the fact that the Kennison TD was a nice long ball, but Huard can not hit those passes with any consistency. As I said elsewhere, his performance was very Gannonesque today, and that is good enoygh. __________________
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