Chiefs Well, I saw the preseaon game and I gotta tell ya... - Page 2

donkhater · 08-24-2008, 12:42 PM

...It's about what I expected.

After following the game via the thread last night, I was prepared for the keystone cops. I thought they looked mediocre. Are they ready to compete for a playoff spot? Of course not. The chicken littles on this board need to come to grips to what this team is in the midst of. Rebuilding. Two units stood out as especially underwhelming:

Special teams: Why this continues to be the bane of this team boggles the mind. Outside of Colquitt, this continues to be one sad unit. They were responsible for the crappy field position (both ways) the whole first half and of course gave up the TD.

O-line: One of (if not the worst) unit from last season was without its #1 pick and looked like it. This team doesn't have the type of depth to withstand any type of injury to the starters. Croyle never really had much time to pass and allowed the sack that resulted in the fumble and TD. No question. These guys have to improve on the fly.

Outside of those shortcomings, I thought the rest of the play was OK, just not overwhelming. The defense allowed a couple runs to Ricky and of course the TD pass, but the few pass plays Pennington did complete he was flushed from the pocket and was hit as he threw (on the TD). They are starting to get to the QB, they just have to complete the play. The goal line stand was teriffic and really didn't allow any other extended drives the first three quarters.

People cited DJ as playing well, and he did, but he was slow in getting depth on the TD catch. The defensive player that stood out to me was Brandon Flowers. He was in on virtually every tackle seemingly and had good coverage most of the night. He is a definate keeper.

The safety play seemed inconsistent and I actually liked the moves I saw out of Hali even though he didn't get to the QB. It's the nimblest I've seen him in two years.

Bowe disappointed and LJ is looking for the homerun too much. People knock his blocking, but there isn't any RB in football that likely going to succeed in blocking a 280 lb OLB/DE.

For some reason I keep wanting to not like Kolby Smith (I don't know why), but the guy keeps on chugging away. He is really a Kimble Anders clone isn't he? Does a little of everything.

Now to Croyle. People bitch about him dinking and dunking then bitch about him holding on to the ball. He can't win. The dude has no time and when he did, the WR were not open. Herm said something to this effect at halftime how they couldn't get off man coverage.

Croyle's stats last season were comparable to Matt Schaub's, who most people feel is a more than competent QB and he's been in the league two seasons longer.

Bottom line is, I'd rather watch a young fast team struggle through the year than an old slow one, which is what last season was. There are going to be a number of games like this this season and some games they are going to look pretty good. A young team is usually very inconsistent and I expect this one isn't going to be any different. But I AM looking forward to seeing these young guys play and watch their improvement.

**the Talking Can** · 08-24-2008, 05:39 PM

of the few bright spots:

Kolby Smith...god this guy looks like a smart shifty runner...not a #1, but a great utility RB, great swing/screen back, i hope he gets a chance to show this year...he sees holes better than LJ, actually...

Richardson...just the fact that he played, and he showed improvement which is all you can ask

Flowers...enough said, guy has cojones

Page made several good plays early...not sure if he was in later when things got ugly

Dorsey got some good penetration on a few plays, but we really don't have anyone to clean up after him...

ps

Croyle hit guys when he had protection, even if no one will admit it...but he missed Bowe for a TD, and that hurts...he has got to make plays when we have a chance...because we - and he - won't have many chances.................

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-24-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by donkhater

If you are among those who judge preseason games by the final score then yeah, I guess it was as bad as it looked. However, these games are a joke and it's really incredible that the Ritalin-needy posters on this site need to be reminded of that year in and year out.

I suppose Carolina is REALLY 42 points better than Washington, huh?

This is a young team and as such will be incredibly inconsistent. Learn to accept that and enjoy the fact that this franchise is FINALLY developing their own draft choices and you'll get through the season without lithium.

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Originally Posted by donkhater

One more thing. This Miami team did pretty much the same thing to Jacksonville. Is Jacksonville in trouble?

Solid posts.

Plays are called in the PS not based on down and distance, but to see how a particular player reacts in a certain situation. Christ, they don't even gameplan. Yet people overreact like we just lost the biggest game in franchise history.

donkhater · 08-24-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

Didn't we hear the same thing from Herm and his legions of supporters last year, after the Chiefs pathetic showing in the preseason? "Oh don't worry we are playing very vanilla" "No worries, once the season begins, we'll show our TRUE offense", etc.

A strong showing in the preseason is important for a young team like the Chiefs with so many unproven players.

Maybe, they did say the same thing, I don't know. I'm not a Herm supporter per se, but I DO support the fact that he is gutting this team and starting young. It was only a decade overdue.

I realize that a 4-12 team will not turn into a playoff team in one season with so many young guys playing such key roles.

Best case scenario: They start off slow, the offensive line gets healthy and a few games under their belt. By the end of the year they are getting a few wins people don't expect them too and playing hard every game. I think 8-8 is dreaming, 6-10 achievable. Anyone who expects or is hoping for more will continue to post these dumb threads that are currently on the front page.

Here is what it sounds like:

Bench Payton Manning!!!! His first full season he was 3-13 with 28 picks!!! He sucks!!!!!
Bench or Trade Troy Aikman!!! His first season he was 1-15 and look pretty awful. He sucks!!!!

Croyle isn't in their league, but I doubt anyone posting here knows anything about how good he can be, since he is getting smushed. Chicken littles hatching all over the place.

ChiefsCountry · 08-24-2008, 07:16 PM

Miami kicked our ass because of turnovers on our side of the field and special teams. It wasnt like they moved up and down the field on us all night.

PastorMikH · 08-24-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Miami kicked our because of turnovers on our side of the field and special teams. It wasnt like they moved up and down the field on us all night.

Don't forget that it took 4 guys on just about every play to bring a ball carrier down. Hard to hold them to 3 and out when we keep missing tackles.

BIG K · 08-24-2008, 09:43 PM

I think we all could use some settling down...

After last year's debicle, it seemed everyone knew it was going to be a painful rebuild. There were those of 'us' who welcomed the rebuild with open arms, others who were against it, reluctantly agreed it was best.

All of us seemed to be on the same page that this year would be painful, that is until the Chiefs put together a pretty good draft. Suddendly, alot of us began to think that with this great draft, we may actually have a chance this year. It is too early to tell, especially during pre-season. We all have to remember, the Chief's are in fact rebuilding. It could take some time to put things together. We may be surprised this year but, we as fans cannot expect our beloved Chiefs to turn things around in one year with so many rookies and hate them if they don't.

I decided in January that I expect the Chief's to lose often this season. However, I am looking forward to see each new players development in anticipation of next year. If they come out and surprise me and win alot of games, great! If not, I will understand and be patient for the rebuilding process to take shape....

08-24-2008, 12:42 PM
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	Well, I saw the preseaon game and I gotta tell ya... ...It's about what I expected. After following the game via the thread last night, I was prepared for the keystone cops. I thought they looked mediocre. Are they ready to compete for a playoff spot? Of course not. The chicken littles on this board need to come to grips to what this team is in the midst of. Rebuilding. Two units stood out as especially underwhelming: Special teams: Why this continues to be the bane of this team boggles the mind. Outside of Colquitt, this continues to be one sad unit. They were responsible for the crappy field position (both ways) the whole first half and of course gave up the TD. O-line: One of (if not the worst) unit from last season was without its #1 pick and looked like it. This team doesn't have the type of depth to withstand any type of injury to the starters. Croyle never really had much time to pass and allowed the sack that resulted in the fumble and TD. No question. These guys have to improve on the fly. Outside of those shortcomings, I thought the rest of the play was OK, just not overwhelming. The defense allowed a couple runs to Ricky and of course the TD pass, but the few pass plays Pennington did complete he was flushed from the pocket and was hit as he threw (on the TD). They are starting to get to the QB, they just have to complete the play. The goal line stand was teriffic and really didn't allow any other extended drives the first three quarters. People cited DJ as playing well, and he did, but he was slow in getting depth on the TD catch. The defensive player that stood out to me was Brandon Flowers. He was in on virtually every tackle seemingly and had good coverage most of the night. He is a definate keeper. The safety play seemed inconsistent and I actually liked the moves I saw out of Hali even though he didn't get to the QB. It's the nimblest I've seen him in two years. Bowe disappointed and LJ is looking for the homerun too much. People knock his blocking, but there isn't any RB in football that likely going to succeed in blocking a 280 lb OLB/DE. For some reason I keep wanting to not like Kolby Smith (I don't know why), but the guy keeps on chugging away. He is really a Kimble Anders clone isn't he? Does a little of everything. Now to Croyle. People bitch about him dinking and dunking then bitch about him holding on to the ball. He can't win. The dude has no time and when he did, the WR were not open. Herm said something to this effect at halftime how they couldn't get off man coverage. Croyle's stats last season were comparable to Matt Schaub's, who most people feel is a more than competent QB and he's been in the league two seasons longer. Bottom line is, I'd rather watch a young fast team struggle through the year than an old slow one, which is what last season was. There are going to be a number of games like this this season and some games they are going to look pretty good. A young team is usually very inconsistent and I expect this one isn't going to be any different. But I AM looking forward to seeing these young guys play and watch their improvement.
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08-24-2008, 05:39 PM	#16
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	of the few bright spots: Kolby Smith...god this guy looks like a smart shifty runner...not a #1, but a great utility RB, great swing/screen back, i hope he gets a chance to show this year...he sees holes better than LJ, actually... Richardson...just the fact that he played, and he showed improvement which is all you can ask Flowers...enough said, guy has cojones Page made several good plays early...not sure if he was in later when things got ugly Dorsey got some good penetration on a few plays, but we really don't have anyone to clean up after him... ps Croyle hit guys when he had protection, even if no one will admit it...but he missed Bowe for a TD, and that hurts...he has got to make plays when we have a chance...because we - and he - won't have many chances................. __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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08-24-2008, 07:16 PM	#19
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $1748752	Miami kicked our ass because of turnovers on our side of the field and special teams. It wasnt like they moved up and down the field on us all night.
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08-24-2008, 09:43 PM	#21
BIG K Veteran Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: California Casino cash: $9845230	I think we all could use some settling down... After last year's debicle, it seemed everyone knew it was going to be a painful rebuild. There were those of 'us' who welcomed the rebuild with open arms, others who were against it, reluctantly agreed it was best. All of us seemed to be on the same page that this year would be painful, that is until the Chiefs put together a pretty good draft. Suddendly, alot of us began to think that with this great draft, we may actually have a chance this year. It is too early to tell, especially during pre-season. We all have to remember, the Chief's are in fact rebuilding. It could take some time to put things together. We may be surprised this year but, we as fans cannot expect our beloved Chiefs to turn things around in one year with so many rookies and hate them if they don't. I decided in January that I expect the Chief's to lose often this season. However, I am looking forward to see each new players development in anticipation of next year. If they come out and surprise me and win alot of games, great! If not, I will understand and be patient for the rebuilding process to take shape....
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