NFL Draft Brian Orakpo makes his case: - Page 4

talastan · 12-18-2008, 11:32 PM

I had already posted in the draftplanet forum but thought this would be something everyone would want to see here in the Lounge. Wow big, big man.

Mr. Laz · 12-19-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I don't think Orakpo has the potential to be a pass rushing terror in the mold of Freneey or DT. He's just not that quick.

On the other hand, I think he could be a greater asset in the running game than those two, and overall I see him as a solid DE that is good in a few areas but not really great at anything. Think Chris Long/Justin Smith/Grant Wistrom.

then he is NOT worth a top 10 pick in your opinion

BigChiefFan · 12-19-2008, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I don't think Orakpo has the potential to be a pass rushing terror in the mold of Freneey or DT. He's just not that quick.

On the other hand, I think he could be a greater asset in the running game than those two, and overall I see him as a solid DE that is good in a few areas but not really great at anything. Think Chris Long/Justin Smith/Grant Wistrom.

I agree that Orakpo has alot more upside as being an everydown DE, because he can contain the run, but I see him more in the role of a Michael Strahan, in that his game speed is quicker than his TIMED speed and his strength can overpower LTs. You are right in that he won't be a speed rusher, but I believe he will still definitely get after the QB more than some may think.

eazyb81 · 12-19-2008, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

then he is NOT worth a top 10 pick in your opinion

The three guys I mentioned were all drafted in the top ten, so I don't know why he shouldn't be, especially in a weak draft like this year. I'm just saying at this point I don't see him as a sack machine like DT or Freeney. He seems like more of a solid, all-around DE. That said, I really want to see how he runs at the combine. If he puts on a show then I reserve the right to change my opinion.

**the Talking Can** · 12-19-2008, 12:12 PM

oh, and can we fire our DL coach?

talastan · 12-19-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

oh, and can we fire our DL coach?

This especially!!

talastan · 12-19-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

The three guys I mentioned were all drafted in the top ten, so I don't know why he shouldn't be, especially in a weak draft like this year. I'm just saying at this point I don't see him as a sack machine like DT or Freeney. He seems like more of a solid, all-around DE. That said, I really want to see how he runs at the combine. If he puts on a show then I reserve the right to change my opinion.

Which I think is the best way to start. We have to have someone who can contain LT/Sproles, Any of the Dungver RB, Fargas/McFadden. The sacks will come if we can keep teams at third and long.

Mr. Laz · 12-19-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

The three guys I mentioned were all drafted in the top ten, so I don't know why he shouldn't be, especially in a weak draft like this year. I'm just saying at this point I don't see him as a sack machine like DT or Freeney. He seems like more of a solid, all-around DE. That said, I really want to see how he runs at the combine. If he puts on a show then I reserve the right to change my opinion.

Flip-Flopper!!!!!!!!

Mr. Laz · 12-19-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by talastan

Which I think is the best way to start. We have to have someone who can contain LT/Sproles, Any of the Dungver RB, Fargas/McFadden. The sacks will come if we can keep teams at third and long.

actually we get offenses into 3rd and long all the freaking time ... we just can't generate a natural enough pass rush to ever stop them even on 3rd and 20.

talastan · 12-19-2008, 12:28 PM

I think that by having the basis of a good DE, then this guy will set himself up for getting sacks. It'll be hard to sack a QB if the other team can just run the ball for a first down. The D keeps the opposition at third and long, then Orakpo, DJ, Dorsey, or whoever can pin their ears back and kill the QB. He has proven at Texas he is very versatile in a pass rush and at protecting the edges. I think he is our guy. Legit pass rush (like Allen, or ol' Neil Smith), with the ability to stop the run if needed.

**Iowanian** · 12-19-2008, 12:37 PM

One thing that would make me nervous about that dude is how much muscle he's added.

Guys with that much strength and muscle often end up with tendonitis, joint problems etc.....the muscles are too strong for the tendons and ligaments.

Where is his flexibility?

BigChiefFan · 12-19-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

One thing that would make me nervous about that dude is how much muscle he's added.

Guys with that much strength and muscle often end up with tendonitis, joint problems etc.....the muscles are too strong for the tendons and ligaments.

Where is his flexibility?

...while MAINTAINING 8% BODY FAT.

googlegoogle · 12-19-2008, 12:41 PM

I need to hear more experts like Mayock talk about him to persuade me.

If there are negative things about his speed at the combines then forget it.

If he is a legit Strahan type then take him.

Silock · 12-19-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

One thing that would make me nervous about that dude is how much muscle he's added.

Guys with that much strength and muscle often end up with tendonitis, joint problems etc.....the muscles are too strong for the tendons and ligaments.

Where is his flexibility?

Relax. He's on 'roids. His ligaments and tendons are fine.

BigChiefFan · 12-19-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle

I need to hear more experts like Mayock talk about him to persuade me.

If there are negative things about his speed at the combines then forget it.

If he is a legit Strahan type then take him.

Here's Mayock's top 20 list of seniors...

1. Aaron Curry - LB - Wake Forest
2. Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio St
3. Eugene Monroe - T - Hoos (said teams who want a pass blocker would like him)
4. Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Okie St
5. Jason Smith - T - Baylor (same for him as Monroe. Mayock never seen this guy line up in 3 point stance and run block due to Baylors scheme)
6. Brian Orakpo - DE - Texas
7. Rey Maulauga - LB - USC
8. BJ Raji - DT - Boston College
9. Brian Cushing - LB - USC
10. Tyson Jackson - DE - LSU
11. Michael Oher - T - Ole Miss (Doesnt think he is very consistent, but very talented)
12. Larry English - DE/LB - Northern Illinois
13. James Laurinitaus - LB - Ohio St
14. William Moore - S - Mizzou
15. Clint Sintim - LB - Hoos
16. Alphonso Smith - CB - Muck City
17. Max Unger - C - Oregon
18. Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama
19. Michael Johnson - DE - GaTech
20. Louis Delmas - S - Western Michigan

Funny- people laughed at my 2nd round selection of BJ Raji, too. Who's laughing now? The top seniors at their positions according to Mayock.

12-18-2008, 11:32 PM
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