Chiefs Question about LJ's tradability. - Page 3

Frankie · 01-04-2009, 11:15 AM

Every time someone talks about trading LJ away a bunch of posters pounce on him and remind him how "stupid" he is because LJ's big contract and signing bonus makes him UNTRADABLE. I admit, when it comes to understanding financial stuff I am far from the brightest star in the sky. So here's the question:

LJ wants out of KC. We, as I understand, lose less money if we keep him than if we get rid of him (don't know how, but it's been said). With that in mind, if Leon is so out of here in his mind, is it possible that the current contract can be thrown away and a new more reasonable one negotiated that would remove the barriers to his tradability? If not, let him know that he will be an expensive back-up on our bench. A year of gluing his ass to the bench should either ruin his career or bring his ass around to be more agreeable to this.

Am I overlooking something here?

Frankie · 01-04-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Teams don't get comp picks for players that are cut before their contracts expire.

I didn't know that. CP REALLY Effed us over, didn't he?

unothadeal · 01-04-2009, 01:43 PM

What's the long version of Larry? Is it Leon?

Frankie · 01-04-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

LJ is also still a productive RB. We don't have any other starting caliber RB on our roster. If we trade LJ we would need to draft/sign another RB.

I think we will draft/sign one nevertheless.

milkman · 01-04-2009, 01:46 PM

According to Adam Shefter the difference to the cap between keeping LJ and cutting or trading him is only $600,000.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/30/chie...s-for-johnson/

Adam Schefter
Chiefs weigh options for Johnson
Posted: Adam Schefter | Adam Schefter | Tags: Kansas City Chiefs, Larry Johnson

Kansas City has no playoff games. But it will get to play a numbers game.

The numbers game involves standout running back Larry Johnson, who wants out of Kansas City, and the cost of granting him his wish.

For Kansas City to trade Johnson, it would cost $8.8 million against its salary cap next season. For the Chiefs to keep Johnson, it would cost $8.2 million against the salary cap next season.

So this is their choice — trade a player who has said he wants out, or keep the player who could be a detriment in the locker room.

Whoever is the new general manager for the Chiefs will have to weigh whether it is worth auctioning off Johnson to the highest bidder, hoping to get back, at best, a second-round pick and more likely a third-round pick and possibly some other late-round compensation.

Now before Chiefs fans get incensed that Johnson will bring back only a second-round pick — if he can even get that, as some league executives are not convinced — consider this:

Running backs don’t carry a tremendous value around the league. The upcoming draft is deep at the position. Teams can draft running backs after the first round — see Matt Forte, Steve Slaton, Peyton Hillis — and still get contributors. So Johnson will be worth maybe a second-round pick, probably a third, or possibly a third and a fifth.

While Johnson’s contract is an albatross for the Chiefs, it is a blessing for other teams. Any team that trades for Johnson does not have to pay him any guaranteed money — other than the $5.5 million base salary that he is scheduled to make next season. In 2010, Johnson is scheduled to make another $7 million in base salary.

If there’s a team out there that wants to upgrade at running back, it has to ask whether it is better to trade for Johnson or sign a free agent such as New York’s Brandon Jacobs to a deal that is likely to include somewhere around $18 million in guaranteed money.

Plus, any team that wants to part ways with Johnson would not have to accelerate any signing bonus, making Johnson even more attractive to another team.

orange · 01-04-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

almost makes it a hit situation.
have somebody provoke a fight.

It would have to be a girl.

unothadeal · 01-04-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by unothadeal

What's the long version of Larry? Is it Leon?

Those commercials were awesome.

orange · 01-04-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by unothadeal

Ahhh, it's Lawrence.

Yeh! I loved those Leon commercials. Larry = Leon - perfect analogy.

Danman · 01-04-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

Question is: Jammal Charles an every down back? or do we then have to use another high draft pick on a franchise RB?

Thought: If we keep Tyler and keep running the spread Sproles would be perfect for that IMO....

I believe drafting a running back every year or every other year would be the way to go. The average life expectancy of a RB is 4-6 yrs.

No to the spread as a full time offense. Sproles is awesome regardless. He may be only 5'6" but he's got a lot of power in his legs

Frankie · 01-04-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

Yeh! I loved those Leon commercials. Larry = Leon - perfect analogy.

Thank you.

bowener · 01-04-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

LJ's contract is Carl's going away present to Chiefs fans.

Like taking a shit in your apartment heating vent. Let your asshole landlord figure THAT smell out.

**the Talking Can** · 01-04-2009, 02:57 PM

we just need to hire a black coach, everything will be fine

orange · 01-04-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Like taking a shit in your apartment heating vent. Let your asshole landlord figure THAT smell out.

You don't think every landlord who's ever had more than three tenants hasn't already dealt with that? Hah!

Red Brooklyn · 01-04-2009, 03:37 PM

Hell if CP really takes the over in Miami, we may not have to worry about it. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to over compensate us to have his boyfriend back on the sidelines with him.

whoaskew · 01-04-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Like taking a shit in your apartment heating vent. Let your asshole landlord figure THAT smell out.

LOL

As if the landlord is the one who will be living there smelling it.

Maybe the new tenant is the asshole and you are doing the landlord a favor.

01-04-2009, 11:15 AM
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Question about LJ's tradability. Every time someone talks about trading LJ away a bunch of posters pounce on him and remind him how "stupid" he is because LJ's big contract and signing bonus makes him UNTRADABLE. I admit, when it comes to understanding financial stuff I am far from the brightest star in the sky. So here's the question: LJ wants out of KC. We, as I understand, lose less money if we keep him than if we get rid of him (don't know how, but it's been said). With that in mind, if Leon is so out of here in his mind, is it possible that the current contract can be thrown away and a new more reasonable one negotiated that would remove the barriers to his tradability? If not, let him know that he will be an expensive back-up on our bench. A year of gluing his ass to the bench should either ruin his career or bring his ass around to be more agreeable to this. Am I overlooking something here?
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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	According to Adam Shefter the difference to the cap between keeping LJ and cutting or trading him is only $600,000. http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/12/30/chie...s-for-johnson/ Adam Schefter Chiefs weigh options for Johnson Posted: Adam Schefter \| Adam Schefter \| Tags: Kansas City Chiefs, Larry Johnson Kansas City has no playoff games. But it will get to play a numbers game. The numbers game involves standout running back Larry Johnson, who wants out of Kansas City, and the cost of granting him his wish. For Kansas City to trade Johnson, it would cost $8.8 million against its salary cap next season. For the Chiefs to keep Johnson, it would cost $8.2 million against the salary cap next season. So this is their choice — trade a player who has said he wants out, or keep the player who could be a detriment in the locker room. Whoever is the new general manager for the Chiefs will have to weigh whether it is worth auctioning off Johnson to the highest bidder, hoping to get back, at best, a second-round pick and more likely a third-round pick and possibly some other late-round compensation. Now before Chiefs fans get incensed that Johnson will bring back only a second-round pick — if he can even get that, as some league executives are not convinced — consider this: Running backs don’t carry a tremendous value around the league. The upcoming draft is deep at the position. Teams can draft running backs after the first round — see Matt Forte, Steve Slaton, Peyton Hillis — and still get contributors. So Johnson will be worth maybe a second-round pick, probably a third, or possibly a third and a fifth. While Johnson’s contract is an albatross for the Chiefs, it is a blessing for other teams. Any team that trades for Johnson does not have to pay him any guaranteed money — other than the $5.5 million base salary that he is scheduled to make next season. In 2010, Johnson is scheduled to make another $7 million in base salary. If there’s a team out there that wants to upgrade at running back, it has to ask whether it is better to trade for Johnson or sign a free agent such as New York’s Brandon Jacobs to a deal that is likely to include somewhere around $18 million in guaranteed money. Plus, any team that wants to part ways with Johnson would not have to accelerate any signing bonus, making Johnson even more attractive to another team. __________________
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