McShay/Kiper updated mocks

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1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16)

Kiper pick: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia -- Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 overall pick, thanks to his overall skill set.
McShay pick: Stafford -- It appears the No. 1 pick is Stafford's to lose. The gun-slinging quarterback can seal the deal if he overwhelms the Lions during upcoming individual workouts, film sessions and interviews.

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14)

Kiper pick: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor -- The OT spot is strong at the top with Smith, a former tight end who is supremely athletic and exactly what you want in a left tackle: someone you can count on to protect the blind side of your quarterback.
McShay pick: Smith -- Smith has emerged as the top offensive lineman in the 2009 class. He possesses the agility, power and work ethic to solidify the left tackle spot for years to come in St. Louis.

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14)

Kiper pick: Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest -- He's a complete OLB with great character and work ethic, which is why it was no surprise when he nailed his combine workout.
McShay pick: Curry -- The Chiefs choosing to beef up the defensive or offensive line isn't out of the question here, but Curry is the best defensive player in this year's draft and displays the versatility new GM Scott Pioli looks for in a draft pick.

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12)

Kiper pick: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia -- Monroe is just a shade below Jason Smith in my opinion but is a legit top-five pick.
McShay pick: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College -- The Seahawks taking an offensive tackle is a strong possibility here, especially with their recent addition of free-agent DT Colin Cole. However, Raji is the only elite defensive tackle in this class, and the Seahawks, who finished 30th in total defense this past season, must think long and hard before passing on him.

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12)

Kiper pick: B.J. Raji -- Raji is the top defensive tackle in this draft. McShay pick: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas -- Orakpo left the combine as the top hybrid DE/OLB in the 2009 class. His pass-rushing skills would be a welcome addition to a Cleveland defense that notched just 17 sacks in 2008.

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1)

Kiper pick: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech -- The stress fracture in his left foot shouldn't affect his draft status. He's a big-time player who should have a Larry Fitzgerald-type career in the NFL.
McShay pick: Eugene Monroe -- Crabtree certainly is a possibility here, but the Bengals need to solidify their offensive line, and Monroe clearly is the next-best option at offensive tackle. He's not a classic mauler by any means, but he is a fluid athlete for his size and would do an excellent job of protecting QB Carson Palmer.

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11)

Kiper pick: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri -- Maclin will have to adjust to an NFL offense, but I really like his big-play capability and the fact that he's much more explosive with the pads on than his 4.46-second clocking in the 40-yard dash at the combine would lead you to believe.
McShay pick: Maclin -- Speed will rule in the Oakland draft room as long as owner Al Davis is calling the shots.


12. Denver Broncos (8-8)

Kiper pick: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU -- Jackson would be ideal in a 3-4, thanks to his ability to shift inside in passing situations.
McShay pick: Jackson -- The Broncos need to bulk up along the defensive front in order to make a smooth transition to the 3-4 scheme. They could use this pick on a linebacker, but Jackson is the only elite five-technique in this draft class and would fit well in Denver.

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8)

Kiper pick: Malcolm Jenkins -- Jenkins has all the qualities you look for, with the exception of top-flight recovery speed, which is an obvious concern. Even so, he's too good an overall performer to pass up in the middle of the first round.
McShay pick: Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC -- Maualuga's draft stock could hinge on the severity of the hamstring injury he suffered at the combine and how it affects his individual workouts. Regardless, he's a ferocious hitter with enormous potential. Maualuga's size and explosiveness would make him a great fit at inside linebacker in the Chargers' 3-4 defense.

Todd McShay's Top 20 Still Available

Player	Position	School
1. Louis Delmas	CB	Western Michigan
2. Donald Brown	RB	Connecticut
3. Darius Butler	CB	Connecticut
4. Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
5. LeSean McCoy	RB	Pittsburgh
6. Kenny Britt	WR	Rutgers
7. Ron Brace	DT	Boston College
8. Alex Mack	C	California
9. Shawn Nelson	TE	Southern Miss
10. Rashad Johnson	S	Alabama
11. D.J. Moore	CB	Vanderbilt
12. Lawrence Sidbury	DE	Richmond
13. Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
14. Jamon Meredith	OT	South Carolina
15. Max Unger	C	Oregon
16. Jared Cook	TE	South Carolina
17. Michael Johnson	DE	Georgia Tech
18. Paul Kruger	DE	Utah
19. Cornelius Ingram	TE	Florida
20. Steven Beatty	OT	Connecticut

Mel Kiper's Top Players Still Available

Player	Position	School
Eben Britton	OT	Arizona
Phil Loadholt	OT	Oklahoma
Alex Mack	C	California
Connor Barwin	DE	Cincinnati
James Laurinaitis	LB	Ohio State
Larry English	DE	Northern Illinois
Louis Delmas	S	Western Michigan

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft...ory?id=3972427

I've only included the important picks in the top and then the other AFC west picks, but I've also included the leftovers. I would love it if we could pick up Alex Mack in the 2nd.... we really need a good center and he's the real deal... What do you guys think about Larry English?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mr. Krab's

So setting the bar of expectation for a player on the aspect of his game that he didn't even use in college is reasonable? Setting an expectation of the number of sacks when we don't even know how the Chiefs are going to use him is reasonable? I mean getting 7 sacks in his 1st season really was a great indicator for Tamba Hali, wasn't it?!?

I'll say it again, beyond silly

Those are reasonable expectations for the #3 PICK IN THE DRAFT.

If they're not reasonable for HIM, then he SHOULD NOT be the #3 pick in the draft. Period.

[rad]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Jesus ****ing Christ; I can't believe you still get hit with that "USC Homer" shit.

God forbid that USC have an exceptional athlete on the roster that a general consensus of knowledgeable Planeteers AND Mecca endorse; it's a conspiracy!

I agree with you on the Safety. I'd LOVE to see the Chiefs develop a FS that can play the position on a DT level; that would be awesomeness to the millionth-power.

That's some Grade A knob-polishing right there.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by rad

That's some Grade A knob-polishing right there.

I don't have any beefs with you DCS, but this is one of the most tea-baggiest posts I've seen here.

I call's 'em as I sees 'em.

A man can sit idly by for only so long. Mecca didn't want Sanchez when I first came here because it was thought he wouldn't declare. He didn't want Maualuga either.

He doesn't back prospects just because they come from USC. Cassel is from USC too. You think Mecca was on board for THAT move? No.

Mecca, Hamas, Rust Shack, and Brock are better at this shit than anyone else on this board, and that is just a stone cold fact.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I call's 'em as I sees 'em.

A man can sit idly by for only so long. Mecca didn't want Sanchez when I first came here because it was thought he wouldn't declare. He didn't want Maualuga either.

He doesn't back prospects just because they come from USC. Cassel is from USC too. You think Mecca was on board for THAT move? No.

Mecca, Hamas, Rust Shack, and Brock are better at this shit than anyone else on this board, and that is just a stone cold fact.

thats the only reason, mecca said that sanchez was the best prospect in colllege before the season when he had thrown for like 1000 yards in his whole career

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

thats the only reason, mecca said that sanchez was the best prospect in colllege before the season when he had thrown for like 1000 yards in his whole career

And he is, and that's all.

Let's look at this another way:

Stafford had what, three years as a starter? He's not even CLOSE to being the total package that Sanchez brings to the field. He's a long-term project in terms of development, and no one here will deny it.

Sanchez needs a longer throw to be the total package in every aspect of the position, but that can be developed a hell of a lot easier than the other qualities he possesses in spades.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Those are reasonable expectations for the #3 PICK IN THE DRAFT.

If they're not reasonable for HIM, then he SHOULD NOT be the #3 pick in the draft. Period.

Mario Williams was the 1st pick of the 2006 draft and he had 4.5 sacks his 1st year. Bust,Bust!!!!

He also had 14 sacks the following year and 12 the year after that.

Beyond silly.