Chiefs GM Pioli - Page 10

dtrain · 04-23-2010, 07:59 PM

I believe he is building this team the correct way with solid FA's signed and not reaching for draft picks. So many people will say he reached in the 2nd round but those players will shore up a weak return game. Not everything will be fixed in 2 years so sit tight and see what happens next year. Year 3 is the year we should really see the results of what he has done so far. In my opinion he has gotten playmakers for a team that was really lacking!

**Rausch** · 04-23-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why did we "have" to take Jackson?

I just watched Buffalo get a NT and a 5 tech without using a 1st round pick.

How many 1st round picks have the Steelers spent on a 3-4 DE in the last 20 years? Top 20 picks?...

How many?...

DJ's left nut · 04-23-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We still don't have speed in the slot. The guy is 170 pounds dripping wet and barely broke 4.6 in his 40. (4.58, IIRC) We used a valuable pick on a guy who's upside is a WR3. When there were legit WR's on the board, not part-timers like McCluster.

Why do we need a returner? Oh, that's right, we've cut the one we drafted LAST year, TWICE. A 2nd round pick used in a deep draft for a nickle CB who's smaller and slower than the nickle we took LAST YEAR.

Asomoah was a great pick.

Trading up for another broke dick TE, however, was not. This franchise has cornered the market on broken TE's - and who doesn't love trading up in back to back years to take a TE?

All tonight proved is that Belichick is the ****ing genius, and we got the dipshit who apparently could care less about value, or completely invalidating the picks he made the year before by duplicating them - all while completely ignoring need.

Look at how many picks we've made to cover for stupid picks and/or roster decisions over the duration of Pioli's regime.

People keep ignoring the fact that these bad drafts are exponential. A horrifyingly shitty 2009 draft has now led us to yet another 2010 draft which could've been spectacular but will now be no more than mediocre because Pioli had to scramble to fill holes that he and his cronies made. Our failure to pick up a NT, QB, ILB, OLB, RT and legit WR means we'll absolutely make more stupid reach picks in 2011 to cover for this year's stupid reach picks that came as the result of an entire draft based on stupid reach picks in 2009.

It's never 'just one year'. Every year compounds into the next year. Which is why allowing this ****wit "3 years before I evaluate him" is a mistake of astronomical proportions.

I simply cannot wrap my mind around this draft.

GoTrav · 04-23-2010, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why did we "have" to take Jackson?

I just watched Buffalo get a NT and a 5 tech without using a 1st round pick.

Agree, it seems the same for OL, at least in this town. Unless you grab them in the 1st people seem to think they are dogshit. Isn't the first round pick the easiest? GM's should be making their money in rounds past the 1st.

GoTrav · 04-23-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

How many 1st round picks have the Steelers spent on a 3-4 DE in the last 20 years? Top 20 picks?...

How many?...

Ziggy Hood? Maybe that was off the SB victory?

**Reaper16** · 04-23-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Reaper, **** you. I repeatedly said before the draft I thought they should take Berry and I said why. Now, after the fact, its a "no-brainer". Well, not on CP it wasn't. There was plenty of people talking about Clausen or trying to do something else. As far as McCluster and Arenas, a huge problem for the Chiefs was there had very little speed, unless you like Cassel having options like Bobby Wade and Lance Long. Now with Charles, Thomas. Bowe, Chambers, and McCluster, a real OC like Charlie Weis can do something, especially with the improvements made on the line. And Arenas gives you more athletism both in the return game and helps in the secondary. Getting the solid RG in the 3rd was just fine and the TE has been graded as a terrific blocker. He also looks like a very good receiver. Its a fine draft so far. I wouldn't say its top notch but its certainly a B+ Anybody with any credibility that actually gets paid for a living to know has given positive feedback.. Maybe if you stopped getting ALL your football opinions from CP once in a while you would maybe feel different than you do.

A B+? A ****ing B+? Do you have any concept of draft value whatsoever? Fine draft my ass. Thanks for actually making a football post, though.

dtrain · 04-24-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Apparently you haven't caught on yet that intelligent thought is not welcome here. In order to fit in with the fellowship of the miserable you need to have an almost Austistic like impulse to be negative about everything.

I work with special ed kids does that count?

ILChief · 04-24-2010, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, here is the reality of the draft, some sure picks don't pan out, some guys you don't expect to cut you cut, some guys you took as a role player late end up being your best starter. Right now everything we have done is on paper. None of these guys have put pads on. For all we know Arenas goes all Dante on the league. McCluster might just be a Wes Welker. And Berry might end up being a total bust. Moeki or whatever his name is may play 4 years straight without an injury. Asamoah could beat out Lilja and be an impact player. We don't know and won't know until they get on the field and play. Coaches see things we don't and understand what we don't and know their plans for future moves that we don't.

I would have liked to have seen some different positions drafted tonight but the coaches thought otherwise. So the guys we drafted deserve a chance to prove the coaches right or wrong.

I mean, WTF expected Succup to be one of the best kickers in the league?

Who expected DJ to flop like he has?
Who expected Dorsey not to have quite the impact we expected?
Who expected Charles to be one of the best RB's in the league?

We can go on and on. I am just saying don't put too much into the draft until we see the results.

How dare you bring logic in here!

patteeu · 04-24-2010, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I will give you this the offense is going to be able to put up alot of ****ing points. On the flip side it is going to have to because the D is a ****ing sieve.

Another factor is that the defense could benefit if the offense has fewer 3 and outs. Last year, the defense often played pretty well early in games only to fall apart late.

patteeu · 04-24-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I was very impressed watching McCluster in college this season. Without looking it up, I think he tore it up against Tennessee.

I'd be okay with taking him the late 3rd or 4th, and realize he has some playmaking capability, but this team needs some basic starters. At 36 he was a HUGE reach on a team that is desperate need of starters. Bad, bad move. But, not nearly as bad as the 50th pick.

Charlie Weis must have

a) no pull whatsoever, or (b) thinks his players suck ass, or (c) both. To pass up Tate both times and not grab Clausen before 48? Wow.

The rumor is that the Eagles, a team with a pretty good reputation as far as the draft is concerned, were going to take McCluster at 37. If that's the case, it's not a reach at all. In fact, it's maximum efficiency.

**dirk digler** · 04-24-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

We still don't have speed in the slot. The guy is 170 pounds dripping wet and barely broke 4.6 in his 40. (4.58, IIRC) We used a valuable pick on a guy who's upside is a WR3. When there were legit WR's on the board, not part-timers like McCluster.

Why do we need a returner? Oh, that's right, we've cut the one we drafted LAST year, TWICE. A 2nd round pick used in a deep draft for a nickle CB who's smaller and slower than the nickle we took LAST YEAR.

Asomoah was a great pick.

Trading up for another broke dick TE, however, was not. This franchise has cornered the market on broken TE's - and who doesn't love trading up in back to back years to take a TE?

All tonight proved is that Belichick is the ****ing genius, and we got the dipshit who apparently could care less about value, or completely invalidating the picks he made the year before by duplicating them - all while completely ignoring need.

I agree with all of this with the exception of McCluster. He ran a 4.4 at his pro day and almost every NFL coach that has seen this guy says he is explosive and a playmaker. I actually like this pick quite a bit.

soundmind · 04-24-2010, 08:10 AM

The outstanding piece of all this to me is that in two years of drafting, Pioli has yet to draft a Nose Tackle.

1. A+
2a. A
2b. D+
3a. A+
3b. D-

Now in my opinion, if you're going to run anything close to a prototypical 3-4 defense, the NT position is roughly equivilant to the offense's need for a LT. You can win without one, sure, but it's probably going to be a damn struggle, and someone might get hurt in the process.

Where the shit is our farging NOSE TACKLE!?!?!?!

04-23-2010, 07:59 PM
dtrain Who's your daddy? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Junction City Casino cash: $-1316694	GM Pioli I believe he is building this team the correct way with solid FA's signed and not reaching for draft picks. So many people will say he reached in the 2nd round but those players will shore up a weak return game. Not everything will be fixed in 2 years so sit tight and see what happens next year. Year 3 is the year we should really see the results of what he has done so far. In my opinion he has gotten playmakers for a team that was really lacking!
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04-24-2010, 08:10 AM	#146
soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	The outstanding piece of all this to me is that in two years of drafting, Pioli has yet to draft a Nose Tackle. 1. A+ 2a. A 2b. D+ 3a. A+ 3b. D- Now in my opinion, if you're going to run anything close to a prototypical 3-4 defense, the NT position is roughly equivilant to the offense's need for a LT. You can win without one, sure, but it's probably going to be a damn struggle, and someone might get hurt in the process. Where the shit is our farging NOSE TACKLE!?!?!?!
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