Chiefs GM Pioli - Page 9

dtrain · 04-23-2010, 07:59 PM

I believe he is building this team the correct way with solid FA's signed and not reaching for draft picks. So many people will say he reached in the 2nd round but those players will shore up a weak return game. Not everything will be fixed in 2 years so sit tight and see what happens next year. Year 3 is the year we should really see the results of what he has done so far. In my opinion he has gotten playmakers for a team that was really lacking!

milkman · 04-23-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Had he been allowed to stay in a 4-3 we'd be seeing results by now...

The fact is, he overachieved as a 5 tech last year.

He was, far and away, our best defensive lineman.

**DeezNutz** · 04-23-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You might want to repeat that to those same people about Tyson Jackson.

Nah, those people voted him second team All-SEC. They know he's mediocre.

milkman · 04-23-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You might want to repeat that to those same people about Tyson Jackson.

Why?

Tyson Jackson was a terrible pick.

**petegz28** · 04-23-2010, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Why?

Tyson Jackson was a terrible pick.

So Dorsey gets a pass for a year but Jackson doesn't? All right, I'm with ya.

Mecca · 04-23-2010, 09:55 PM

1 guy is a consensus top 5 pick, the other guy wasn't, how hard is this to grasp?

**DeezNutz** · 04-23-2010, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

So Dorsey gets a pass for a year but Jackson doesn't? All right, I'm with ya.

Because they're the exact same players with the same skill sets and ceilings. No way could anyone make a distinction.

"He might not make Pro-Bowls..."

Who said this about our #3 overall pick? Glowing endorsement, no?

**the Talking Can** · 04-23-2010, 09:57 PM

we drafted a CB, OG, KR, and TE last year

this year we admitted all those picks sucked and drafted the same positions for the same reasons

while ignoring completely our lb core and nt.....

it just isn't smart

and the same people telling us how great last years picks were are now telling us how great it is that we had to have an entire redo in only 1 year

and we still don't have an ILB, OLB, or NT (or qb)

the problem is twofold:

1. bad draft picks
2. burning multiple picks in consecutive drafts on less important positions while ignoring critical ones

**petegz28** · 04-23-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

1 guy is a consensus top 5 pick, the other guy wasn't, how hard is this to grasp?

While I agree with that we also had to draft Jackson at that spot cause we couldn't trade down to get him. All things being said, it still takes lineman 2-3 years to get into the groove, so to speak. Plus, not only was last year Jackson's 1st year, he had a **** stick for a DC.

**DeezNutz** · 04-23-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

While I agree with that we also had to draft Jackson at that spot cause we couldn't trade down to get him. All things being said, it still takes lineman 2-3 years to get into the groove, so to speak. Plus, not only was last year Jackson's 1st year, he had a **** stick for a DC.

No, we didn't.

If we wanted a lineman, Raji was the obvious and easy selection.

milkman · 04-23-2010, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

So Dorsey gets a pass for a year but Jackson doesn't? All right, I'm with ya.

No.

Tyson Jackson doesn't have half the talent that Dorsey has, and Tyson Jackson was drafted to be a 5 tech with the #3 overall pick, and you simply don't draft 5 techs that high.

If he had been drafted that high to line up next to Dorsey in a 43, he still would have been overdrafted because he doesn't possess Dorsey's talent.

Think Tyson Jackson has the upside of Gerald McCoy?

DJ's left nut · 04-23-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Take the Herm part back. Take it back now.

Keep Herm off the sidelines and I'd take him back.

Herm as GM would ****ing obliterate the fat ****er in clown shoes currently residing in our front office.

Scott Pioli can die screaming.

**petegz28** · 04-23-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No.

Tyson Jackson doesn't have half the talent that Dorsey has, and Tyson Jackson was drafted to be a 5 tech with the #3 overall pick, and you simply don't draft 5 techs that high.

If he had been drafted that high to line up next to Dorsey in a 43, he still would have been overdrafted because he doesn't possess Dorsey's talent.

Think Tyson Jackson has the upside of Gerald McCoy?

Don't know. But he was drafted, he is on our team and I am going to give him the same pass I would any other rookie lineman.

milkman · 04-23-2010, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Don't know. But he was drafted, he is on our team and I am going to give him the same pass I would any other rookie lineman.

At #3 overall, he better be the greatest 5 tech ever.

Mecca · 04-23-2010, 10:03 PM

Why did we "have" to take Jackson?

I just watched Buffalo get a NT and a 5 tech without using a 1st round pick.

**Rausch** · 04-23-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

we drafted a CB, OG, KR, and TE last year

this year we admitted all those picks sucked and drafted the same positions for the same reasons

while ignoring completely our lb core and nt.....

it just isn't smart

and the same people telling us how great last years picks were are now telling us how great it is that we had to have an entire redo in only 1 year

and we still don't have an ILB, OLB, or NT (or qb)

the problem is twofold:

1. bad draft picks
2. burning multiple picks in consecutive drafts on less important positions while ignoring critical ones

We had a good TE and traded him off.
We had a good nickelback and let him walk.
We already had Brandon Flowers and we drafted a less physical version.
I understand the need for a KR but Tate (while a legit slot WR) and numerous others LATER in the draft could have filled that role...

04-23-2010, 07:59 PM
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-662950	1 guy is a consensus top 5 pick, the other guy wasn't, how hard is this to grasp?
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the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9212208	we drafted a CB, OG, KR, and TE last year this year we admitted all those picks sucked and drafted the same positions for the same reasons while ignoring completely our lb core and nt..... it just isn't smart and the same people telling us how great last years picks were are now telling us how great it is that we had to have an entire redo in only 1 year and we still don't have an ILB, OLB, or NT (or qb) the problem is twofold: 1. bad draft picks 2. burning multiple picks in consecutive drafts on less important positions while ignoring critical ones __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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04-23-2010, 10:03 PM	#134
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-662950	Why did we "have" to take Jackson? I just watched Buffalo get a NT and a 5 tech without using a 1st round pick.
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