Michael Holley on Fescoe, now

[Chiefnj2]

I'll give updates.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You can be a pawn without being a mindless husk. Let's not operate in binaries here.

You must see more distinctions between "mindless husk" and "blind, ass-kissing homer who won't give a legitimate critique" than I do.

Again, all I'm saying is that if the description of Holley as this shameless water-carrier for The Belichick Tree is accurate, and if the idea that Pioli is trying to influence people in the media to take a negative slant against Haley is true, then it's a little strange that Holley's actually doing the complete opposite and talking Haley up. This doesn't strike me as a particularly controversial observation in any way.

But it would suggest to me that one element, either Holley's blind homerness or Pioli's anti-Haley campaign, is being overplayed. I don't know which, though I'd assume the latter.

And you're right, this is all irrelevant. But it's what the thread is about. Don't hate the player.

[Marcellus]

So Holley is nothing but a shill for NE but Fatlock isn't the exact opposite?

I would argue Whitlock has a bigger axe to grind than Holley especially considering Pioli is not in NE any longer so he has nothing to gain from swinging from his nuts.

Whitlock will take every chance he gets to chastise Pioli and company because they locked his ass out.

Whitlock is hack and I am not going to take a damn thing he writes, good or bad, serious.

He said he didn't even know if Detroit actually tampered with a KC player even though Detroit lost a draft pick and had to swap a late rounder with KC.

But he didn't even know if the accusations were true. Good journalism there.

[RUSH]

Not related to the conversation going on but I read somewhere that the book states that Dimitroff asked both Pioli and Belichick their opinion on the Julio Jones trade before it happened.

Belichick said he wouldn't do it and Pioli said he would.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

So Holley is nothing but a shill for NE but Fatlock isn't the exact opposite?

I would argue Whitlock has a bigger axe to grind than Holley especially considering Pioli is not in NE any longer so he has nothing to gain from swinging from his nuts.

Except that Holley has everything to gain from being a shill (seriously, why do you think he was chosen to write the book?) and Whitlock has nothing to gain comparatively from beating the shit out of Pioli's rep every chance he gets.

Holley = sellout

Whitlock = grandstanding attention whore

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

Eh, maybe. I personally thought he had a very good chance of developing into an above average QB. He has terrific athleticism and was LIGHT YEARS better by the end of 2008 than he had been at the start of 2008. If he continued to progress at that trajectory, then he would be a very good starting QB.

I thought, in short, that he had all the "tools" and that his problems were fixable.

Apparently not.

Well he proved with us that he quickly arrived at his ceiling, but that ceiling was not very high. I think Belichick knew this and would have cut him if nobody would trade for him. Our misfortune was that little boy Josh seemed to want Cassel too prompting Pioli to actually trade for him.

Or maybe Josh was playing Pioli like a drum too.